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Re: Perkiomen Project Pics
« Reply #75 on: December 02, 2012, 04:53:19 PM »
Wow!  What a ride.  I'm very glad the damage was not worse, and that it was confined to automotive and not human parts!
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« Reply #76 on: December 03, 2012, 11:24:58 AM »

I'll always leave my Eagles in full time All Wheel Drive like they were intended to be. You never know when you will need it.

That's how I feel about it, I don't want to have to anticipate when it might be needed and switch it on - you might get caught by surprise and it'll be too late to turn it on to help you out

Captspillane,  I'm really amazed by how much knowledge a young guy like you has picked up so soon.

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« Reply #77 on: December 03, 2012, 01:27:39 PM »
Thanks Priya. I love your motto. "I think I can... I think I can... Ooops." That's the way to learn!
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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Re: Perkiomen Project Pics
« Reply #78 on: December 03, 2012, 03:00:05 PM »
That's actually Isoar's motto.  Mine is "If I keep at it, it'll get done.  If I keep at it, it'll get done..."

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Re: Perkiomen Project Pics
« Reply #79 on: December 04, 2012, 12:39:43 AM »
Very glad nobody got hurt. Would have hated to see that fine looking Bird getting bent. Surprised there wasn't more damage from the way you described it.
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« Reply #80 on: December 04, 2012, 02:19:17 AM »
I guess its a trade off. If the worn 33x12.5 tires didn't have such terrible traction I certainly would have been able to slow down faster and straighter, but the complete lack of traction is probably why I spun instead of rolled. I dang well should have rolled. I was also so desperate to keep from hitting the overpass head-on I was swerving into four lanes of highway traffic on purpose. If I had enough traction I probably would have gone right into the other lanes instead of sliding sideways into the gaurdrail. When I hit the gaurdrail I was convinced it was going to roll and I was just hanging on waiting for it. When I pulled over I thought for sure both sides and all four corners would be wiped out. Its a downright miracle that was the only damage done.

This happened on Wednesday morning and I drove back to take these pictures on Sat. My skids were still visible on the side of the road but not on the road itself. You can see right where I turned abruptly toward the road and held on for a wild ride.







« Last Edit: December 05, 2012, 12:27:36 AM by captspillane »
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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Re: Perkiomen Project Pics
« Reply #81 on: January 29, 2013, 12:17:52 AM »
Last week I worked 105 hours. The overtime has been crazy lately. I've missed most of the last two months. I've changed jobs since then, so I'm now working as an electical engineer instead of living at sea in a two week rotation as a maritime cargo mate. The job change is in preparation for my first child due in June.

Since I last wrote an update I worked out a new rental arrangement. I share my garage with one other tenant. We repartioned the building to add 24' by 36' (with 14' ceiling height) floor space to the rear of my current garage. I just finished building a new wall and am ready to start moving in this month. I've currently got three Eagle SX4's and an Eagle Kammback in my garage along with a dozen AMC engines and 15 Jeep transmissions. It is getting too crowded to work efficiently, so the extra space is an answer to a prayer.

I've also purchased another Eagle. This '85 Station Wagon spent most of it's life in Idaho. It is one of the most rust free Eagles I've ever seen. It is also a factory T5 stickshit five-speed. The interior color exactly matches the exterior blue. It is very well maintained and has become my daily driver.

« Last Edit: October 31, 2013, 06:51:48 AM by captspillane »
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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Re: Perkiomen Project Pics
« Reply #82 on: January 29, 2013, 01:53:37 AM »
It is also a factory T5 stickshit five-speed.

Is that a typo, or are you indicating you're not too fond of the T5?  ;D
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Re: Perkiomen Project Pics
« Reply #83 on: January 29, 2013, 02:43:30 AM »
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Good to see life is treating you well.
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« Reply #84 on: January 31, 2013, 04:11:48 AM »
The T5 is a perfect transmission for a stock Eagle. It's a shame that they weren't more common. I even love the way the factory bent the Eagle shift lever in comparison to Jeep T5s. In a Jeep CJ7 the T5 shifter is quite awkard compared to how it rests in an Eagle. I surely couldn't pass up a factory installed shickshift Eagle SW. It's just too fun to drive and too rare.

I'm still in awe to own what is basically the exact station wagon I've wanted for as long as I can remember. My first Eagle station wagon was a typical diarrhea-brown '85 automatic 258. As much as I liked that car, I always desperately wished it was stickshift and any other color. My least favorite color is light brown. I was actively planning on painting it Blue and Black and converting it to a T5 five speed. I never thought for a moment that I would eventually find one set up that way from the factory. It's even the same model year as my first Eagle station wagon. I love it.

This car was driven daily about two hours a day for the last several years. The previous owner sold it because he has bought two other automatic Eagle station wagons recently and he disliked driving stickshift in the heavy city traffic each day. In the last year both front wheel bearings have been replaced, the carter carb was replaced, new shocks, and a long list of other reliability improvements made. I've got my own typical list of minor improvements and repairs to complete this month but it is already a great car to drive.

 
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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« Reply #85 on: February 02, 2013, 04:42:05 AM »
The NP231 transfer case has 1) 2WD, 2) "Part-time 4WD" where both output yokes are locked together, and 3) fully locked 2Low.

The NP242 has exactly the same thing (the three positions of "2WD," "Part-time 4WD," and "2Low") but it adds a fourth "Full-time 4WD" position where both output yokes are connected by an open differential. The open differential connection is the same as any basic "All-Wheel Drive" system.

In fact, it is pretty accurate to describe the AMC Eagle NP119 as just an open differential Full-time 4WD because it is designed to never use the limited slip function in normal conditions. Its not really a limited slip differential at all because it never fully engages anything, unlike a true limited slip differential. The viscous coupling doesn't engage quickly, it hesitates until enough slipping has occured to generate enough heat inside the viscous coupling to lock up. It doesn't actually lock up either, since it really just increases resistance to an output which changes the ratio of resistance first and then causes a change in the ratio of torque split second. If that statement doesn't make sense to you, read my FYI at the bottom of this reply.

A true limited slip differential that reacts immediately to slip conditions is only found in the NP247. That transfer case has a clutch system that made the viscous coupling systems instantly obsolete. It reacts in much less time than the NP119, NP219, or NP249. It generates much more holding force. Realistically the difference between a NP219 and a NP242 in "Full-time 4WD" is negligible.

Since the NP242 has all the modes the NP231 has plus an extra, it wouldn't make sense to ever buy a NP231. The reason people like the 231 so much is that it has a reputation of being stronger. That's a myth that started because the NP231 has a wider chain then the NP242. Bigger is better right? The NP242 has a chain only about two thirds as wide as the NP231 chain because of the internal space needed for the extra functions added. Despite the smaller chain, New Process designated the NP242 with a "4" in the second digit. A "4" means it is stronger than a "3". If it has a smaller chain and weaker reputation, why would the factory label it as stronger?

The reason the NP242 is considered stronger than the NP231 by the factory is because it incorporates a torque bias. In other words when you are locked in "Part-time 4WD" 60% of the applied engine torque goes to the rear axle and only 40% of the applied engine torque goes to the front axle. Most Jeep guys think that the NP231 will hold up better than the NP242 with huge tires because they see the wider chain and they think it will perform better offroad because it doesn't have a torque bias. In reality the front axle of most vehicles, especially AMC Eagles, have a front axle that is much less as strong as the rear axle because of the added complexity of steering. A torque bias then is the only way to get the most strength out of your car as a whole.

Thus why the military Humvees use the NP242 and not the NP231. It's stronger and more capable despite the reputation.





FYI An open differential splits torque by a ratio exactly opposite the ratio of wheel resistance. Lock up all four brakes and all four wheels will have the same rolling resistance, so all four wheels get the same engine torque applied. Remove the brake shoes from one wheel and leave the rest locked up, and suddenly one wheel will have no rolling resistance while the other three still have a high resistance. Since it has 0% of the rolling resistance the other wheels have, it will get 100% of the engine torque. If one wheel had 10% of the rolling resistance of the others, than it will receive 90% of the applied engine torque, and so forth. In a turn this is a good thing because the wheel that needs to go faster will be pulled by the wheel that needs to go slower, so it will have less resistance and thus get more engine torque than the other. An open differential will let the outside wheel go faster than the inside wheel naturally and smoothly during a turn.

During a slippery condition where one wheel has considerably less traction and thus less rolling resistance than the other, it will unfortunately recieve a larger amount of engine torque than the other until eventually it is the only wheel spinning. A limited slip differential engages once the difference in wheel rotation speed gets too big. When it engages it locks the two together either fully or in a given ratio. This prevents the car from getting stuck.

A viscous coupler is not the same thing as a limited slip differential. Instead of locking together mechanically, it simply increases resistance to one wheel spinning faster or slower than the other as it heats up. The increased viscosity of the oil as it heats puts resistance on the faster wheel until the ratio of rolling resistance increases. In consequence of the rolling resistance increasing the ratio of applied engine torque likewise decreases, which gives a similar end result as a true limited slip differential would behave.

In summary the viscous coupler behaves just like a limited slip differential when subtle improvements in traction are needed, but in severe conditions the viscous coupler doesn't do diddly-squat. It isn't much better than any other open differential. With a NP242 you have the option of just clicking it into "Part-time 4WD" for reliable operation in severe conditions.

Notice too that the NP119 can not run in 4WD without a front driveshaft. That is because it reduces the rolling resistance in the front yoke to nearly zero while the rear yoke has 100%. The open differential design wants to then give the front yoke 100% of the engine torque and the rear yoke 0%. The viscous coupler will be able to keep the car moving for a short distance before it gives up and dies. With an NP242 the open differential in "Full-time 4WD" will not be able to push the car without a front driveshaft, but you still have the option of shifting into "Part-time 4WD." Once you do that you can drive the car just fine with immediate traction.
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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« Reply #86 on: February 02, 2013, 04:58:10 AM »
The NP242 and NP249 both use a case with the same bolt pattern as the NP219/119/129/128/228. You could actually bolt the rear housing from an Eagle to the front housing of an NP242. It is based off the same casting and it would be fair to call those newer transfer cases the improved version of our AMC Eagle transfer cases. The NP231 on the other hand has a completely different casting and a completely different bolt pattern.

One of the major improvements made was the addition of a oil pump. The NP242 and NP249 both have the same identical pump that spins along with the rear driveshaft. As it spins it pumps oil up to important places. The NP219 family of transfer cases never had this feature.

It is ironic that this topic came up today here on the nest. I had a detailed conversation at work about the tooling necessary to make a custom input shaft. I figured out earlier that I can bolt the viscous coupler housing from an NP249 to the back of the NP242 case. If you put the main gearshaft from both next to each other, you'll see that they are identical up until a specific point. At that point where it changes the profile is exactly the same. That means I could create a custom gearshaft easily that would use all factory parts to make a hybrid of the NP242 and NP249.

To be exact, I see exactly how to make a 242 transfer case with the added traction of a viscous coupler while in "full-time" mode. It would take exactly one part to be produced with dimensions already known precisely. I might have the tooling available to me to be able to make that single part in quantity.

I dream of being able to make a large number of these shafts and send them to people as a business. You would buy an NP249 and an NP242 from a junkyard and this shaft from me to assemble all the parts needed.  As an option I could also modify shafts to incorporate other factory standard New Process components including a Rubicon 4:1 low range found only in the NP241OR transfer case. All other low ranges have a 2.72:1 ratio. I could also incorporate wider chains and the better NP247 limited slip as well as SYE kits. It would create the ideal AMC Eagle transfer case with a very limited amount of cost.
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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« Reply #87 on: February 04, 2013, 05:04:42 AM »
Among a great many other things, the company I recently started working for makes tube processing machinery. Here is a link:

http://emi-inc.net/n-5-Tube-Processing-Center
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2013, 04:18:12 PM »
Shoulda, woulda, coulda....
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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« Reply #89 on: May 05, 2013, 06:37:52 AM »
You are all invited to my home on June 29 and 30 2013 for the first Solstic Meet. I will be extending the same invitation annually at the end of June and the middle of December, at or near the Winter and Summer Solstice.

This month my first daughter is due to be born, so I've been busy preparing our home for her. I'm also in the middle of repairing a damaged Eagle owned by a Nest member and finishing my '82 SX4. I will put up pictures soon of these efforts.

The next detail to finish on that SX4 is the louvers. After making this set by hand I will be posting pictures and putting the design for sale using the services of the local laser-cutting company to ease the pain of manufacturing. The second set of louvers I make will be for my blue station wagon. The idea is to make those louvers attach to the inside of a panel modeled after the "Sport" side window panels, to make a complete set across all three of the rear windows.

I have my '85 and '80 Eagle station wagons to share the role as my daily driver. They're beautiful and fun to drive, but I miss my SX4 greatly. It is exciting to almost have it done.
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

 

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