Eagle was running great, all the way from New York State to the West.
Yesterday, a record hot day here in Nebraska, the engine blew and a guy in Roscoe, NE confirmed that #4 and #6 wires don't change the RPM, and at least #4 has no compression. Blow-by has flooded the air filter and coated the back of the Eagle and the front of the small untility trailer I was pulling.
So I need a 258/4.2 engine, or something with one in it.
There was someone around Agallala Nebraska had one for sale around six months ago, but we can't find a listing for it.
Currently stranded at Truck & Auto Alignment in Ogallala, NE, 308-284-4518.
Any one who knows of an engine/vehicle?
Thanks,
Mam, that's terrible, good luck. You can use car-part.com to try to locate an engine.
You can also use a 4.0L and swap the 4.2L externals to it (much easier to find) The carb intake alignment and exhaust from the 4.0L are the hardest issues to overcome.
I just did a CList search on all the areas in western Nebraska and came up empty other than a 4.0. There are a couple 258's in Denver, 400 and 225 bucks. Let me know if I can help.
Push rods ok?
Not looking too good around here.
The only one near here is from a jeep, so the oil pan and some others have to be swapped too (more $).
They want $1,200 for it. Mileage unknown. I can blueprint one back home for that.
:'(
Wrong weekend to be doing this too.
Reports of a lady around here with a whole running eagle for sale for $600, around a month ago, but no one can find it now...
arrrggggh
Quote from: hypereagle on August 31, 2012, 05:28:48 PM
Push rods ok?
No idea.
From the lack of noise, assume it's just blown rings, but the values could be bad too. It's quiet (except for the blow-by putt-putt) running on four cyclinders.
Oil and coolant appear to be separate so far, but there's some dirt in the coolant (which was new and pristine after a flush) and no metalic particles in the oil (puzzled). Local quote to rebuild the engine is $2,000.
Quote from: vangremlin on August 31, 2012, 04:49:41 PMThere are a couple 258's in Denver, 400 and 225 bucks. Let me know if I can help.
Appreciated.
Are the 258's out of Eagle's or Jeeps? If out of an Eagle, saves me ~$400 labour here, swapping things over.
Quote from: Canoe on August 31, 2012, 05:43:17 PM
Quote from: vangremlin on August 31, 2012, 04:49:41 PMThere are a couple 258's in Denver, 400 and 225 bucks. Let me know if I can help.
Appreciated.
Are the 258's out of Eagle's or Jeeps? If out of an Eagle, saves me ~$400 labour here, swapping things over.
These two were both from Jeeps. I swapped a Jeep engine into my Eagle, its really only the oil pan and pump that needs to be swapped if I remember correctly.
Looking further down the list there are a couple that are listed as AMC 258's but they are older posts so not sure if they are still available, one is listed for $150 and still runs but owner suggests rebuilding because of high mileage. Might get you where you need to go though.
I'll be out of touch over the week (no computer access - I'm using the shop's computer), but please post anything you find.
Hi
I have one in an SX4 that I bought and they state it was rebuilt in 2007. It was bored 30 over. But I am somewhat far away. I have it listed on C-list for 300.00.
THis ones a stretch, he user KyleB posted he's in Nebraska City and along with his car, he has a 83 parts car:
http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=39358.0
Also this post recently from Lincoln Pick and Pull:
http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=39426.0
And theres on on the CL place located in Wolbach, NE
Make sure it's an 80+ block so that it has the bosses for the front axle mount.
Find a cheap XJ with a hitch and tow your Eagle home, then swap drivetrain!
Found a couple other ones on CList here in Denver. The $150 one won't work its from a 78.
It would work to make it run, but not in 4x4. You could leave the front axle off to speed up the installation.
Easy enough to pull valve cover.
Just back.
Thanks for the responses.
They're pulling the head now in case the rings didn't roll, but not likely.
Going to re-read everything and see what can be found.
Apparently it's only 300 miles to Denver from here.
Impression: If I can find a good block, seems like the time to put a 4.0 HO head on, along with new timing belt.
Quote from: recomer on August 31, 2012, 07:30:02 PM
THis ones a stretch, he user KyleB posted he's in Nebraska City and along with his car, he has a 83 parts car:
Kyle's looks good, but too pricy for me.
Maybe his parts car...
Quote from: Canoe on September 05, 2012, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: recomer on August 31, 2012, 07:30:02 PM
THis ones a stretch, he user KyleB posted he's in Nebraska City and along with his car, he has a 83 parts car:
Kyle's looks good, but too pricy for me.
Maybe his parts car...
Man, if I closer, I would do what I could to help out. Good luck. Have you posted on any other forum, like the AMC Forum?
No. Just posted here.
A little over whelmed looking after things.
Using a loaner car, I managed 16.5 hour run to Fernley NV, including 1.5 hour nap. Did what I needed there (pickup supplies shipped there for camping that didn't take place), rested, just returned (didn't do the return in one run).
I can get a 1993 Grand Cherokee locally with a 4.0.
240k miles on the car, with 130K miles on a rebuilt engine.
Will this engine fit?
From what I can find online, it should have a 7120 head.
Head gasket blown between #4 & 5.
#6 washed clean, with some play.
#1 has more play.
Electrode for spark plug #5 is missing, but no sign of any damage from it bouncing around inside...
Sorry to hear about your canceled camoing trip. You drove right past me in Elko, NV. I'm here for work but leaving today. I've seen 5 Eagles in this town. In my opinion a Grand Cherokee would struggle to pull the Eagle to NY. Plus don't you have a utility trailer with you? If you're talking about installing the engine, a typical shop may not want to get involved in the little things that are necessary for the swap. I'll post on the AMC forum for you.
Thanks,
I was thinking of using the Grand Jerokee and towing the Eagle and abondoning the trailer.
My head is 1/2", not 7/16". I thought '86 blocks were 7/16"?
Maybe this isn't the original engine in this Eagle.
Just a thought, Brandon (83 Eagle!) is trying to sell his car. He is near Omaha. His car has a hitch, and would work for flat towing another Eagle.
Quote from: rollguy on September 05, 2012, 03:14:31 PM
Just a thought, Brandon (83 Eagle!) is trying to sell his car. He is near Omaha. His car has a hitch, and would work for flat towing another Eagle.
Saw that.
No price given.
I've PMed, but no answer yet.
At least I found the vacuum leak. Intake manifold had three bolts that he took out with this fingers...
i have relayed the message for him to get on the nest and make contact
Quote is in:
$1,200 for a used 258, $400 to move the filter pickup & oil pan, plus R&R the old for "new" engine
or
$1,700 for a reman 258 longblock
or
$1,800 for a reman 4.0 longblock, plus waterpump, valve cover, fuel pump
or
$1,900 to reuild my 258 short block, with a mill of my 258 head thrown in
machine shop can rebuild a 7120 for $300, if I can find one...
That price of $1200 for a used 258 seems pretty high, unless its been "refreshed." Here in Denver I don't think I've seen any listed for sale over $500. But like they say, location is everything.
My completely rebuilt 258 was about $1500. It came from a place in Springfield, MO, if I remember correctly.
my rebuilt 4.0 was only 1000 + 250 core. i have a 4.2 block i would give you. just pay shipping or pick up. i live up in lynnwood wa and it the block only.
Going with the local shop rebuilding the short block, balanced, with a 4.0 cam (which may be available with the fuel lobe as they may be made from the same "core") with a few "performance" parts that are a low price premium (machinist usually uses them as he likes their quality), including a set of head bolts. He refereces, bores & mills, everything from the crank-shaft center-line, not the top of the block, so this will also correct any errors in the original block cast machining.
I also ran down to Denver on Monday night and picked up a 7120 with a valve cover.
Local shop will not weld it. He's going to pressure test it and sonic it to make sure it's good, then get a price out of Denver for welding the water ports closed. If too pricy, his bath will completely degrease it and I'll JB-Weld the ports closed and he'll finish rebuilding it.
#4 piston had a hole in it. Others had started breaking down. He's thinking too much advance. Distributor will be checked for advance curve before driving.
be sure of the fuel lobe. the 4.0 from 94 i had did not have one.
also since not a wanted add moving this over to the engine under the mighty 258.
Expecting to not have the lobe, but adding an electric LP fuel pump.
Machinist is doing something interesting to the 7120 head.
A proper welding under red-hot, etc., was cost prohibitive ($200+ per hole), and we couldn't come up with specific welding guides that wouldn't risk the head (not enough time).
He didn't feel confident of the long term viability of my JB-Welding the overhanging water ports.
He milled down over the triangular water holes to make them round, but with a ledge at the bottom. He's machining slightly less than 1" round to fit and will use a particular lock-tite to help seal them when he sets them in, and then ball-peen to merge the new steel into the cast, then it'll get flattened when he decks the head. He says there may be a slight colour difference, but otherwise it will likely be invisible, and lasting. There is a slight risk of a leak, but so small that he says any sealer would take care of it.
He likens it to a freeze-plug, but solid steel.
Freeze plugs and pipe plugs have both been used. If it's a 4.0L block then you don't need to do the work to the head.
PS: Titan is $2300 for a complete stroker motor.
258 block
Work underway, so too late for Titan, but thanks
Looks like it will come in around 1,900 for the short block, and $500 for the head work, $100 to buy the head. So $1,500, no shipping, but waiting for the work to be complete.
The vacuum leak most likely is what done the pistons in.
Eddie
Long block together. Fitting manifolds. Suspecting the stainless header is from a Wrangler not a Cherokee. Stock 258 intake manifold won't fit pins, but sits above them and holds to gasket, aligning with top, with fender washers with a notch for the exhaust.
Almost ready to drop it in.
Engine in and test driving last Thursday.
Rattle on the front left traced to the inner CV on the half-shaft, which was fine when I had it off just before my trip when I changed the front-left ball joints.
Pulled the outer CV shaft off and torqued it into the hug so I can get home on two-wheel drive.
Front alignment and test driving went fine on the Friday, so I repacked for my return. Last thing I did was lower the top of the trailer (three sheets of 1/2 ply & 2x2s), managing to drop in on to my thumb, which amazing wasn't broken, only cut (and people here were wondering why I wouldn't camp out at the lake - below the dam...). Spent the night in a motel to be well rested for my trip.
Slept in on the Saturday morning to be well rested. Got on the interstate at 1:00 p.m..
Stopped 50 miles down the road for lunch and to check fluids.
Back on the interstate heading East again.
Suddenly, smoke out the back of the Eagle, quickly spreading to pouring out the sides of the front. Pull over, and see oil pumping out of the back of the engine near the bell housing. Shut engine off, read a book and wait for someone to stop (no cell phone). A number of State Troopers drive by the Eagle with the hood up and the flashers on. Someone stopped and a tow was called for.
So I got 133 miles down the road towards home before having to flatbed back to Ogallala to the shop.
Been here since Aug 30th.
Time to be home.
Quote from: Canoe on October 08, 2012, 11:18:53 AM
So I got 133 miles down the road towards home before having to flatbed back to Ogallala to the shop.
Been here since Aug 30th.
Time to be home.
Sorry to hear that. I hope they will make it right.
Finally something simple!
Oil pressure sender has a split, pumping oil out its bottom.
None in town, one arriving tomorrow.
Quote from: Canoe on October 08, 2012, 01:49:45 PM
Finally something simple!
Oil pressure sender has a split, pumping oil out its bottom.
None in town, one arriving tomorrow.
I must have lost three or four of those things on the Eagle. I picked up two last time I got one, and I've been lucky so far.
All done.
Ready for the road again.
Time to load & go!
Quote from: Canoe on October 09, 2012, 02:21:13 PM
All done.
Ready for the road again.
Time to load & go!
Good luck, brother. May the Eagle spirits be with you.
take care man. hope it works for the long hall
Made it home!
First day: 2:00 p.m. from Ogallala NE to the middle Iowa, where just before midnight the engine developed a quiet howling noise that stayed. Slightly higher pitch than the engine and it raised/lowered and engine rpm raised/lowered, but got much louder as engine rpm increased. Got to my Wallyworld parking lot for the night around midnight MT. Coolant reservoir was slightly low so I topped that off. Let it cool off to see what the morning brought.
Second day: should have changed the oil & filter as I reached the 500 miles recommended, but with the howl, I was hesitant to change something given the howl, which returned and mained as soon as I was warmed up. Limped along, without the same acceleration, stopping often to check under the hood for clues. Around sunset, with no luck determining the source of the howl, I finally decided to change the filter (carquest/wix), although still hesitant on the oil. Changing the filter removed the howl... Also brought back the acceleration. Suspect the rare-earth magnet stuck on the end of the filter may be involved. Fine to change the oil. Continued on to Chicago and past, stopping at midnight MT, at a service area on the toll-way somewhere.
Third day: awake, so start driving around 4:00 a.m. MT, spending 20 minutes at one stop talking about Eagle engines with a father whose son is about to rebuild his Eagle engine. Lost an hour trying to find a working pay phone in Watertown NY. Cross back into Canada before my U.S. medical insurance expired at midnight, making it home just before midnight ET. Dropped the trailer at a local business where I'm known, and home to bed. Engine has much more acceleration (looser?) after its run back home.
Up for a while this morning, then energy crashed. It'll take a few days to be back to normal. Have to go retrieve and unload the trailer, then it'll be back to bed.
While crossing New York State, I had an Eagle pull in behind me and follow for a while. I hadn't noticed it until I saw the reactions of the people passing by. A double cab pickup full of women were really excited to see the pair of Eagles. It pulled off into a service area, so I have no details...
That's great news!
:o Great to hear you fianlly made it home ok!