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Title: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on May 31, 2011, 11:44:30 PM
Hi all! I'm new to the site and I love it! I don't have an eagle right now, but I'm in the market for one. I actually need a regular driver for college, but would LOVE an SX/4 or wagon 4x4 (who on here wouldn't?). I don't commute, so I wouldn't necessarily need it as a daily driver.

My last car, a Plymouth Acclaim, died on me twice within 6 months with bad transmissions, and I don't know that I want to get it fixed a second time. I'm thinking I'll put a maximum of $2000 in for another car.

Located in Eastern PA, near Philadelphia. If anyone on here has an Eagle nearby in good driving condition with minimal rust, please let me know! I've searched hi and low on the major sites (and some smaller ones), and ads I've responded to never answered me. On c-list, there are a few driveable Eagles within a couple hours that I need to check out. I also posted a wanted ad on there under Philadelphia if anyone wants to look.

I'm not extremely car savvy, but my older brother is an amateur mechanic I would say, and very knowledgeable about cars. I'd be better with maintenance anyway, and just keeping my car in good shape. This is why I'm not looking for a project car at the moment, even though I'd love to learn more. In fact, my brothers and dad are most likely against me buying something like an Eagle, but I don't care because it's my new dream car. In 15 years when I might finally be able to get one, they'll probably be impossible to find. I've always drooled over the AMCs (Pacer and Gremlin mostly), but just recently learned more about the Eagles.

It's just something about having a truck, sports car, and family vehicle, along with that classic 80's styling, that makes it look so awesome to me! Thanks to everyone in advance for any help or offers you can give ;D!
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 01, 2011, 12:55:05 AM
Update: The one guy from c-list just responded to me about the SX/4! He showed me a video (posted on the y-tube), and I'd like to know what some of you think. Just go to the site and type in "eagle sx4 starting". It should be the second video down by user "voghe24". He says the exhaust needs to be installed (included) and it may need wheel cylinders. It has 87k miles and 30k on motor. Thanks!
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Whuntmore on June 01, 2011, 02:15:20 AM
Horrible video.  I wish people would learn how to use a camera.  That didn't show a bloody thing. 

I would tell him:  "It's too dark, you're too quick with the camera, and you're too close.   All I could tell is it's a white SX/4.  That's it.  Drag it outside, and Pan slow so I can see it."

If he posts another hard to see video again, skip him and go to the next seller.  He's hiding something.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Prafeston on June 01, 2011, 03:12:44 AM
Yeah, from what little you can see from that video, it doesn't look like the kind of car you are wanting to get. Something more driver ready with little "project" stuff to take care of...then again, finding what you want with only a 2k budget could be difficult. You gotta remember these cars are 20+ years old and will probably always have something that need attention :)
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: maddog on June 01, 2011, 03:20:30 AM
i agree with whuntmore on this matter the guy is either trying to hide something or really has no idea how to use a camera.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Whuntmore on June 01, 2011, 03:50:37 AM
What turned me off the most, is he filmed inside a dark garage, and it's daylight out.  He could be that dumb, but who knows.

did you check out all the eagles for sale in our classifieds?  Now I didn't cross-reference to see how many are close to you, but you might wanna have a look if you haven't. 

There's a couple there that will need no work (as far as I can see) and there's a red 1985 limited wagon with wood side panels that is pristine.  You could drive that away, and then enter it in a car show.  Now I'm not one to buy something sight-unseen, but if I had the money, I'd be on a plane for that one.  Seller wants about $5000.  Looks like it could be worth every penny.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 01, 2011, 04:57:31 AM
I'd give him the benefit of the doubt though, I believe that video was done before just now and it wasn't something he just brewed up to show me real quick, like he was avoiding things. I'm a college student and can't afford to fly a plane to pick up a $5000 car anyway. He said it used to be his daily driver, but he has too many other projects and needs room to work. I wouldn't purchase the car without looking over it thoroughly and testing it, so what good is a jumpy video gonna do to keep me from noticing something? He's told me just about everything wrong with it and everything he's done to it.

He said he could probably get it road worthy for me also. I didn't ask about rust yet, but if it's in decent condition, I shouldn't have to worry about that in the next few years as long as I maintain it well. He told me he put in a crate motor from a wrangler, it has a good trans, solid transfer case. Says it pops out of 4 wheel into neutral once in a while, but I don't think that would be a trans prob.

I've looked everywhere on this site, as well as other sites for Eagles, and this is one of the few around me without major problems. I saw user "lasteagle" has one for sale in Pine Grove, PA about 2 hours away, but it has over 320, 000 miles and the fuel gauge doesn't work. This seems like a gem and a good find if it is what it looks like. I'll definitely ask for more pictures if he has the time.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: philotomy on June 01, 2011, 10:29:30 AM
Even if its 2 hrs away, try to get a ride to check it out in person,even a car high very high mileage tells me someone kept in good running order.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Whuntmore on June 01, 2011, 10:54:37 AM
Keep us posted on what you find, and any questions you might have. 

And don't hesitate to ask any questions from the members here.  there's people here that know more about the eagle then I do about my left hand.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Prafeston on June 01, 2011, 12:15:54 PM
Check out the East Coast Sanctuary on here. I'm pretty sure they are brewing up some Eagles to fix up.    

thereverendbill has been emailing me about several Eagles in the East Coast area. I think he is working with IRON HORSE to get 4 or 5 Eagles to the sanctuary and hopefully get them running etc.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 01, 2011, 09:42:45 PM
Thanks for the advice Prafeston, I went over there and it looks like they're only a few hours from me. In fact, they're only an hour from my college and 20 min from my friend's house. I'm gonna ask the guy from c-list for pictures of the Eagle, including the underside and engine. I may go check it out soon, my brother agreed to help me with working on it and we may tow it home if I decide to buy. Thank you everyone else, I'll update you when I know more!
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: thereverendbill on June 01, 2011, 09:48:54 PM
about 3 hours to be exact ;D
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 01, 2011, 10:53:28 PM
Yep, and I go to Shippensburg University. My friend is from Needmore, PA.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 02, 2011, 01:59:40 AM
So I talked to the guy again, he agreed to sell it to me for $1000 the way it is. He did send me a few pictures, but they were kind of disappointing since they were from his phone. I'll try getting them up on here if I can. Looks a little rusty on the underside, as most are, but I didn't think it looked detrimental. Interior looks good...slightly dirty maybe, but good. I believe he still has more pictures to send me.

This is the deal with the (somewhat) major issues:
-needs exhaust installed, but it's included
-needs wheel cylinders replaced for the drum brakes, don't think they're included, but cheap parts
-says pops out of 4 wheel drive once in a while, probably due to a vacuum leak somewhere
-has some rust spots, appears to be mostly surface rust and nothing corroding through.
-needs inspection

Also needs other minor parts installed (included) like driver side door handle and a button on the shifter. He did replace the transfer case, which is solid. I've got plenty of time to do work on it this summer, so that's not an issue. Who knows, maybe I'll even take a trip to the sanctuary to have the guys check it out when it's running ;)
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Whuntmore on June 02, 2011, 02:30:36 AM
Second time you get bad pics.  I'd look it over real good.  How far is this car from you?  Did you say it was an hour away?  Can you get down to see it?


That sounds like an easy list. 

Except for the possible rust and I don't know how troublesome the 'popping' out of 4x4 is, but note from what I hear, the Transfer Case is very simple, and easy to repair/rebuild.   How did he replace it?  Why is it popping out? 

Make sure you got a clear title.  Check it yourself.

If you get this car, and before you redo the back brakes (cheap parts, yes) soak the nut holding the brake line to the rear cylinders with penetrating oil really well, and give it a few days to work thru - some might suggest up to a week.

for underside rust, Check:

the underside of the rockers, and the outer. 
Sides of the rockers (wheel wells)
where the front of the frame, comes across and then bends to meet the bottom of the firewall (the dogleg) Hopefully it's not separating badly. 
the floor in the spot (would be where driver's feet will go) and general floor areas.
where the back leaf springs are boxed into the frame.
etc.

I just hope it's not too bad for rot/rust. 
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 02, 2011, 03:38:51 AM
Upon second inspection of photo(s), the rust kind of looks bad. Not rusting through, just not pretty. Thanks for all the great info Whuntmore, I really appreciate it. Pics of seats and some underside are here, let me know what you think:
http://s1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff479/Baskinator/?action=view&current=ViewSNC00248.jpg
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 02, 2011, 03:45:16 AM
Also, he has a clear title for the car. It's about an 1hr 40min from me I believe. Not sure about the popping out, I don't think he's totally sure either. Like I said, he told me it's probably a vacuum leak somewhere.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Whuntmore on June 02, 2011, 11:48:57 AM
Ok, the first time I did give him the benefit of the doubt... but twice in a row?   He's taken these pics, and he had to look at them to send them...  And he considered these acceptable for you to view for a sale?

I don't know how anyone can look at those pictures, think 'yup, those are good enough' and send them.  

I can tell in the first pic, that there's a jack under the back axle, and there's something hanging in the camera's way,
I haven't got a clue what the 2nd pic is,
Pic 3, I can tell there's a seat there (Pass. seat)
Pic 4 is the clearest (driver's seat),
pic 5 back seats.  (lolol)

wow...   3 pics of seats, no other interior, and nothing for outer body, and underbody pics were worthless.

He's either really dumb/lazy and doesn't care to send anything viewable, or like I said, he's doing that so he doesn't have to show what's really wrong.

Sorry to see this is the kind of response you're getting.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 02, 2011, 11:58:53 AM
He just emailed me and said he took the title out and realized the car is actually a 1982, not a 1981. I'm going to email back and ask for more/better pictures.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 02, 2011, 12:54:35 PM
and btw Whuntmore, I saw you commented on the 82 AMC Spirit for sale in Allentown, PA. I was thinking about checking that one out, but the fuel gauge is the one thing preventing me. It's just too major of a problem, and since my brother can't/wouldn't fix that because it's too much work, I probably wouldn't have enough money to get it fixed by someone else. Besides, I'm sure it's worth more than I can spend as it is.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Whuntmore on June 02, 2011, 01:01:48 PM
I can't find the spirit ad now...  well sorry to hear that it would be too much to fix.

This is just my opinion, but I would have said to him: "either take better pics of the car showing everything really well, or forget it"  (and I would have said get pics of 'this, this, this and that')

Or  "Don't bother, I'll look elsewhere"

I'm still trying to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, and consider he could be that busy, but if you're trying to sell a car, then take the time to do it right the first time.   I mean if he is that busy, then he sure knows how to waste time - This is the third time he has to go out, and take pictures for you.  

For me, "I'm really/too busy" is a Red Flag.  Either way, honest or not, that usually means you're gonna get minimal attention on this.

But usually people who have pretty decent cars will take the pics and show it off.  And I'm sure most people know that pictures have to be clear to be of any good.  

It's too bad you can't get down there, and actually look at the car.  

The real problem is (and most people here will tell you) you'll either pay now, or pay later.   Eagles are great cars (still running after all these years) but neglected cars need work and upkeep.   The closer you're willing to come to your max price, the less (hopefully) you'll have to spend later on repairs.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 02, 2011, 01:46:09 PM
The Spirit ad is in the parts for sale section, not the cars for sale section- here: http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=35673.0

I told the SX/4 guy to get pictures of the engine, dash, underbody, and whole car itself, and to use a real camera if he has one. I also suggested using photobucket since it's faster and more convenient.

I know it needs a little work and lots of maintenance, but I really would like a car to baby :P
I've seen very very few SX/4s for sale in good condition, which is probably my favorite of them all. In fact, I've only seen 2 driveable ones for sale at all, anywhere on the internet. If I can't get this one, or something real bad changes my mind, I will probably go to the Spirit next. Who knows, maybe I could offer $1000 since she has to move and then just have the fuel gauge fixed... it is only an hour away.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 02, 2011, 01:47:52 PM
Oh, he also has 2 other cars for sale online, so maybe they are taking up more of the time he doesn't have ???
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Whuntmore on June 02, 2011, 02:32:36 PM
Is it just the fuel gauge?  or is it something to do with the tank/float?  If it's just the fuel gauge, there's probably lots of people here that will sell you one.  If it's the tank/float, then that's a different matter, but there are probably fixes for that posted here, or someone here can tell you how to fix it.


He has two other cars for sale online.  On Evil bay, or C-list?  Is he a regular car seller?


So let's say in all fairness, he's being truthful, and he just doesn't have the time - he's that busy.

Then, as far as I can see, he's gonna be too busy to help you with questions, too busy to get you the pics you need - Basically, you still don't know much about the actual condition of this car.

Still, if a person is that busy, and would take the time to do a video, wouldn't you want to at least do a decent one, so you don't have to do a second one, or a third?  (I still question this.)

If that was me, I'd do a good video once.  have a nice slow pan of the outside showing any damage, and then showing the inside.  then under the car.  Then I'd show it starting up and running and/or driving.

It's really hard to make a decision to buy a car, when you can't see it very well. 
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 02, 2011, 03:28:16 PM
Don't know about the fuel gauge on the Spirit, whether it's the gauge or float, but I just assumed/was told it would be an expensive and/or time consuming fix.

His two other cars are both on c-list, but he said he's just a DIYer. With at least three cars for sale, I'm sure he's got too much on his hands. I'm a pretty patient person, so I'm working with him as much as possible to sort this out.

I've got my fingers crossed hoping for some good pictures, still waiting for a reply. He's usually on at night, so we'll see later.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 02, 2011, 05:17:58 PM
Quote from: casper on June 02, 2011, 04:50:53 PM
the fuel gauge sending unit is real easy to replace. (as long as you can find someone to sell ya one) its quite easy to get to, and dont take but 10-15 min to replace it. its probably just like my spirit, got rust on the sending unit and it dont send info to the gauge anymore. hope you get things strait with the sx4. i have 2 sx4 sports i drive all the time. LOVE them. one i would consider selling, but you wont want to come to oregon. (nothing rusts here either) lo.

Darn, wish I was in Oregon :P
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Mechanic on June 02, 2011, 06:46:30 PM
Sorry I'm really late to the party here. But i can tell what the second pic is, and to my eye it doesn't look good.

What it is, is an under car view on the passenger Side looking foreward. At the front you can see the half shaft. However, if you look up just behind the body lip, in that picture it looks to be quite crusty, and to me it looks like the crusty that isn't just surface either.

If you want my opinion, and I haven't read all the replies on the second page yet. But i would go look at it in person, this guy(I think) is just an idiot with a camera, but if you can muster the gas to go out and look at it. Do it. Hard to find an SX/4 for 1000 that dosent need a whole lot of work. But if it has serious rot under the rocker panel trim, walk. Doesn't really matter how low he goes just walk, if your saying you can't do the work yourself it isn't worth the headache.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 02, 2011, 07:29:46 PM
Hi Mechanic, thanks for the info! It does look kind of bad, but it's hard to tell because the pictures are such low resolution. However, if there is a bit of excess rust/corrosion, I saw a post by thereverendbill at the East Coast Sanctuary offering free labor to nesters for all body work/metal work. If this is true, I'd be more than willing to help them out to the best of my ability as they require. As I previously stated, my friend lives about 20 min from there, so I could probably spend a weekend at his place this summer if need be.

I don't know how much materials would cost, but I could probably afford a couple hundred tops. I don't think materials would be that expensive, stuff like sandpaper, fiberglass or metal, primer, paint, etc.

Here is where I saw the labor post: http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=33802.0
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Mechanic on June 02, 2011, 08:03:40 PM
I also bought an SX/4 with rust issues, and i can reel ya it definitely won't be materials that will kill ya, it's the amount of work involved.

Here is my SX/4 and what's wrong with it, along with my fix.

http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=31701.0
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Mechanic on June 02, 2011, 08:05:26 PM
Sorry, i lied, that's not the rust thread......
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Mechanic on June 02, 2011, 08:17:05 PM
http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=22647.15

If you look at the links to photo bucket on the second page you can see some of my repairs.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 02, 2011, 10:29:37 PM
Your Eagle looks great! I'm so anxious to see this guy's SX/4 up close.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 03, 2011, 01:46:47 AM
Well, there are a couple more photos up, including one decent quality one of the engine. Here's the link again:

http://s1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff479/Baskinator/?action=view&current=SNC00246.jpg

Still waiting for others. He seems to be having technology problems, which was why he didn't get my response to his ad right away, way back from the start.

Looks kind of like it has different rims in the front and back. Hmmm... ???
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 03, 2011, 01:52:57 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but does it seem to be missing the air filter/enclosure on the engine???
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 03, 2011, 02:05:36 AM
Ah, it is. He said he took it off to start the engine easier. Is that bad, or does it not matter?
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 03, 2011, 03:28:12 AM
Well he just told me it starts better with it off. I don't think it's anything to worry about.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: philotomy on June 03, 2011, 08:22:26 AM
It looks like the front rim is stock with no wheel cover/hub cap,the back rim  looks like a jeep replacement
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: shaggimo on June 03, 2011, 10:17:26 AM
Does that look like a 4.0L valve cover to anyone else? Maybe a little work has been done under the hood?
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 03, 2011, 12:40:35 PM
Very well could be a jeep replacement wheel. Also, there has been work done to it, he said he replaced it with a crate engine from a wrangler, so you're probably right.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: shaggimo on June 03, 2011, 12:59:00 PM
Ah ok, lol, maybe a later model 258 then. Appears to be worth your time taking a look at in person though...
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 04, 2011, 01:27:29 AM
Quote from: casper on June 03, 2011, 03:32:07 AM
well maybe its just plugged up with dirt/oil like my first sx4 was. so much blow by the pcv valve filled the air cleaner with oil, and the dirt combined. just saying.

Was this an engine problem, or just how these cars are? Don't know if you'll see this casper, but how did you solve the problem on your sx4?
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 05, 2011, 03:56:20 AM
UPDATE: He has finally given me something more to look off of :o

He posted more videos on the y-tube under the username "voghe24", showing the undercarriage, engine, body, and interior.

It really does look worse underneath than I expected, and he wants $1000 for the car. It appears to have all endcaps, as well as a decent looking interior. Do you think this is reasonable for the amount of rust underneath? If not, what would be a good price? I'm thinking I might have to ask him to lower it or walk. I really do want this car though, it looks great otherwise and it's my favorite type of Eagle...

Think anyone would be interested if I would buy it and end up not being able to handle repairs? Just in case.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 05, 2011, 04:03:18 AM
Oh yeah, the videos are still pretty shaky, but they show a whole lot more. I think he's just really bad with a camera.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Pat on June 05, 2011, 09:41:53 AM
MY opinion, from what I could see of the rust under it, I'd pass. Again, that's just MY opinion. Some  of the other folks here may not think it's that bad. I saw where the air cleaner was missing, maybe he pulled the breather or PCV valve with it? What about why is it on a jack/stands? Does he have the missing R/F end cap? Those are rare. I personally feel $1,000.00 is too much for what I saw. I don't like rust period. That's why Old Rusty (my truck) has a different color tailgate, the other one was rusted out. It's just a (please pardon this foul 4 letter word) work truck. I don't care about bumps & scrapes. Paint is already shot, so it doesn't matter to me. Rust is different. One of these years when I get rich, I'd like to get those rear fenderwells patched. Not looking for it to be perfect, just want to get the rust cut out & metal welded in, throw some primer over it to keep it from coming back. Anyway, it's your money & decision. My personal opinion is no go on that one.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Whuntmore on June 05, 2011, 12:03:17 PM
Looks like he's recording the video with a phone.   And he's recording in the dark again.

The underside looks like it could have a lot of rot. 

Unless you're really good with MIG, and doing body work (or you got a best buddy who is) you might eiher:

Skip this one,

Or beat him down, and buy it for a parts car.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: thereverendbill on June 05, 2011, 12:05:25 PM
I think the same thing whuntmore.  Buy it as parts and find that good SX/4
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: philotomy on June 05, 2011, 12:47:29 PM
Have to agree,either parts or project ,but prob not a daily driver
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 05, 2011, 12:59:40 PM
Ok, thanks everyone for checking this out, you're a big help! I just sent him an email and told him how I feel about the rust issues. I told him it was worth only about $300 as a parts car, but I offered $500 even though I probably shouldn't have ::)

I doubt he will accept the offer because he probably put more money into it than that, but we'll see. If I do get it, it wouldn't be a daily driver but more of a project.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Pat on June 05, 2011, 01:42:05 PM
Good luck with whatever happens.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: thereverendbill on June 05, 2011, 02:04:29 PM
I dunno if I would even classify it as a "project car" there is ALOT of work there.  The problem with some people is they watch shows like "barret Jackson" or "barn finds" on TV and instantly think that their 30 year old car is worth a pile of money.  The sad thing is you very rarely get as much out of a car as you put into it 
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Whuntmore on June 05, 2011, 02:58:59 PM
Quote from: thereverendbill on June 05, 2011, 02:04:29 PM
I dunno if I would even classify it as a "project car" there is ALOT of work there.  The problem with some people is they watch shows like "barret Jackson" or "barn finds" on TV and instantly think that their 30 year old car is worth a pile of money.  The sad thing is you very rarely get as much out of a car as you put into it 

X2.  Totally true.  I couldn't have said that better myself.   I see this all the time, and people just aren't being realistic about what the car is worth.

Keep looking, and hopefully you'll find something in better shape, and realistically priced.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: thereverendbill on June 05, 2011, 04:07:57 PM
also gotta remember there is a beautiful 1980 spirit sitting in front of my house looking for a loving home (and if that SX/4 can be bought cheap enough parts can be transfered) ;D
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Whuntmore on June 05, 2011, 04:25:14 PM
Give the guy here a link to your pics and/or video of the car there Bill
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: thereverendbill on June 05, 2011, 09:20:31 PM
I will have some in a few days, all I have is before and progress pictures.  I work on it alot in the evening (no shade trees where I work) so it is always too dark to take a good picture
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 05, 2011, 11:05:38 PM
The owner does not want to go under $1000 because he can part it out for more than that (which he would rather not do because it's still a decent car). He says it is solid despite the rust and it's his 6th Eagle, the only one he decided to keep.

If I can get like 4 or 5 years out of it I would be satisfied, which is why I don't know that rust is a total deal-breaker. Like I said, I'm not in desperate need of a daily driver as I don't commute, and I would treat this car like my baby. If, after those years that I get to enjoy it, the car needs replaced, then I would part it out and probably make more than half my investment back. I have a junk car right now that I've been offered $300 scrap for, and with all the parts that are needed from these SX/4s, I'm sure I could find people interested in buying them.

If I maintain the underside of the car, taking a wire brush/wheel to it, regularly spraying WD-40, and possibly giving it a quick spray paintjob, do you think this could last me a couple years? If so, I may buy it.   
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 05, 2011, 11:34:49 PM
Quote from: 1OldFordMan on June 05, 2011, 09:41:53 AM
I saw where the air cleaner was missing, maybe he pulled the breather or PCV valve with it? What about why is it on a jack/stands? Does he have the missing R/F end cap? Those are rare. I personally feel $1,000.00 is too much for what I saw.

He said it was on the stands because he was going to take better pictures of it for me. It does have all the end caps, and the air filter was taken off so he could start up the car better. It has been sitting for a while and he wanted to make sure it would start. 
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Whuntmore on June 06, 2011, 01:55:15 AM
I don't think he knows how to take better pictures...    ;)

Realize that rust is kinda like an iceberg.  Looks not too bad at first, but there's always allot more under the surface.

But, this is totally your decision.  If you want to buy this car for that price, then that's for you to decide.

allot of people here have been thru good deals and bad.  we've gotten good cars and bad.  All we want to do here is help you make a good choice that works for you.   

If this works for you, then so be it.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 06, 2011, 02:14:57 AM
I understand that and I appreciate all the input from everyone. The best way I can see the actual condition of the car is to take a look at it in person, so I'm going to check it out on Wednesday. I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: philotomy on June 06, 2011, 10:44:40 AM
good luck and fingers crossed
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: doneagle on June 06, 2011, 11:34:53 AM


       HI And welcome to the nest ....and good luck with the Eagle ... waiting to see what you find .....Don
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: priya on June 06, 2011, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: Baskinator on June 05, 2011, 11:05:38 PM
If I maintain the underside of the car, taking a wire brush/wheel to it, regularly spraying WD-40, and possibly giving it a quick spray paintjob, do you think this could last me a couple years? If so, I may buy it.   

Yes, that would slow the rusting process a great deal.  The question is, is there too much rust already and are you really going to be motivated to consistently get under the car to do that?
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 06, 2011, 11:19:32 PM
Quote from: priya on June 06, 2011, 12:21:54 PM
Yes, that would slow the rusting process a great deal.  The question is, is there too much rust already and are you really going to be motivated to consistently get under the car to do that?

Well, the new plan is to take it to the East Coast Sanctuary after I buy it (if I do). thereverendbill has offered his assistance in bodywork and said we would soda blast the entire underside and put on a bedliner coating to prevent further rust. If I buy this car, I know there will be commitment, including this work, that I am willing to give. Plus, my college is only an hour from the ECS, so I could possibly return in the future to do this again.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: thereverendbill on June 07, 2011, 10:08:20 AM
technicly i am located an hour north of the ecs, but i can truck the tools i need down if the ecs is easier for you to get to
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 07, 2011, 10:52:34 AM
I think it would be easier for me at the ECS, but I'd pay for your gas. That's the least I could do for free labor...
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 09, 2011, 12:27:09 AM
OK, well I ended up buying the SX/4 today, just got it home a couple hours ago! Was an all day affair, but it went pretty smoothly. Will try to get pictures up tomorrow.

So there's a long list of things that need to be done to it. Mostly small things, but still a lot. Here they are:

-Exhaust needs to be installed
-wheel cylinders for rear disc brakes are leaky and need to be replaced
-brakes should be gone over to make sure they are working, probably replace lines at least
-button on shifter doesn't work, so it won't move up and down into gear correctly
-emergency brake seems to be frozen or something, but still have to fiddle with it
-driver door handle outside doesn't open door
-I think fuse for trunk release is bad, needs replaced
-needs air filter
-needs battery(was replaced by the guy, but it didn't hold a charge til we got home)
-carb could probably use a tuning, but works as is
-needs cleaned up inside & out(will do tomorrow since I can't really start much else yet)
-driver mirror is hanging off and needs to be screwed in. Screw is there, but rusted tight. Could use WD-40
-paint could use some touch ups, possibly be redone in future
-right side of front bumper and left side of rear bumper are broken/missing
-tires might be ok tread-wise, but one or more seems to be flat after pumping up
-vacuum lines should be gone over
-does not have air-conditioning installed, was removed when the engine was replaced.
-wheels aren't too pretty, definitely need a scrubbing at least
-I need to figure out how to work the seats  ;)
-eventually will need registration, inspection, and emissions

On top of these things, it does have some rust underneath. Mainly the worst parts are the floorboards on both driver and passenger sides, which should be patched/welded. Other than that it seemed pretty solid including the doglegs and rocker panels. I still have to check it out in better light, but I believe it's manageable.

On the up side, the radio works and sounds great  ;D Haha, but seriously, we saw it run and it had an ok idle. Like I said it could probably use a carb tuning, but it sounded good for the most part. Was even running partially on 7 year old gas, so it could get better with new gas. Should most likely have the oil changed.

I got it for $900, but it came out to about $1150 after all other expenses- gas for the trip, tow, and title transfer. Got lucky with the tow since they gave us the 4 wheel dolly for the same price as the 2 wheel at U-Haul. I was an idiot and overpaid the gentleman for the car by $100, but he actually told me when i came back to pick up the car and left it in the glove box for me. I was astonished with and grateful for his honesty, not too many people would do that nowadays! It's gonna be a lot, but I'm totally willing and can't wait to get started tomorrow!
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: ammachine390 on June 09, 2011, 01:09:57 AM
Congrats on the purchase and good luck with getting it fixed up.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 09, 2011, 02:07:48 AM
Quote from: ammachine390 on June 09, 2011, 01:09:57 AM
Congrats on the purchase and good luck with getting it fixed up.

Thanks! I'll need it  ;)
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Whuntmore on June 09, 2011, 02:39:11 AM
good luck with it.  don't hesitate to ask questions.

start a post under 'Project Cars', keep us up to date on how you're doing, and post some pics on how yer coming along.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 09, 2011, 02:58:24 AM
Quote from: Whuntmore on June 09, 2011, 02:39:11 AM
start a post under 'Project Cars', keep us up to date on how you're doing, and post some pics on how yer coming along.

Great idea, I'll be sure to do that right away!
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: philotomy on June 09, 2011, 07:27:18 AM
Hoorey! :occasion14: another one saved
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Prafeston on June 09, 2011, 07:23:54 PM
Congrats on the purchase Baskinator! You are so right about that PO, he's a good man for correcting your mistake of accidentally giving him too much money. Not a lot of people would have done that. Now get 'er on the road! :)
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 10, 2011, 04:13:58 AM
Thanks for the info casper! The car is a sport, you can see my post under "Project Cars" here:
http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=35837.0

I kind of think the button was replaced because I took it off and found out it was made by Ford, unless they actually made it for this car. I didn't notice any square shape or signs of melting. Where is this stud you're talking about, is it in the dash? I don't have a whole lot of experience in this area, so I don't exactly understand what you mean.

It is an automatic, don't know manual yet anyhow.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 11, 2011, 12:07:40 AM
Well nvm, it was just because my battery was dead. The trunk release works!
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 11, 2011, 02:24:02 AM
I saw there was one on JCWhitney, it was about $20 or $30 and looked pretty nice. I would think they work, you just have to hook them up correctly ;D
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: priya on June 11, 2011, 12:39:01 PM
Quote from: casper on June 11, 2011, 01:55:00 AM
LUCKY YOU!!! im jelous... BOTH my sx4's have dead poppers. i have cables hanging out by the plate to pull the latch. been looking on the "bay" auction sight for something that might work. i dont know if one of those generic popper kits would work or not.

I haven't seen those generic popper kits, could you send me a link to one, I might give it a try.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Whuntmore on June 12, 2011, 08:42:12 AM
Quote from: casper on June 12, 2011, 01:38:35 AM
i dont know if we are allowed to post links to the "bay" auctions here. go on the "bay" site, and look up electric trunk popper. they have a little cable, and some linkage stuff and all... would be nice to find out if one can be easily fabbed up to work.


Nope, we are not allowed to post direct links to the "Bay".
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 12, 2011, 10:18:39 AM
I think he meant in a pm  :)
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Whuntmore on June 12, 2011, 11:19:48 AM
Quote from: Baskinator on June 12, 2011, 10:18:39 AM
I think he meant in a pm  :)

oh, well it read like Casper meant in a post.   But just in case, it's better to be safe then sorry, 'cause I know this site has gotten grief over posting links directly to evilbay. 

But... in a PM is perfectly ok. 
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: priya on June 12, 2011, 02:50:33 PM
Quote from: Baskinator on June 12, 2011, 10:18:39 AM
I think he meant in a pm  :)

Yes, that was what I meant. (I'm a woman by the way).  I'll see if I can find it on Ebay with Casper's instructions.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: priya on June 12, 2011, 02:53:49 PM
Found a used one for 80's GM's on Ebay for $70.  I was hoping for a new one for that price.  Electric trunk popper yielded no results.
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: Baskinator on June 12, 2011, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: priya on June 12, 2011, 02:50:33 PM
(I'm a woman by the way).

Ah, sorry about that! Wasn't paying attention...
Title: Re: New to Forum/Eagles
Post by: priya on June 13, 2011, 01:25:17 PM
Casper, I did some more digging afterwards with different terms and I found a few different ones ranging from $20 to $70.  Hubby figures we should go to the wrecker and get a used trunk popper from a GM, but I kind of like the idea of getting a new solenoid so I don't potentially have to change it in short order after a custom fabrication.