So some of you may remember a few months back I acquired a free eagle, the 84 4 door sedan, that car has been stashed away safely until I have time to work on it.....A couple weeks ago I get a phone call from a buddy of mine, letting me know he is going to scrap his 88 XJ Cherokee (legal reasons, not by choice), and wanted to know if I needed anything for mine. I said I'll swing up and take a look at what's left. I get up there to his place, and look it over, well, I had to ask what he wanted for the whole thing, lol. He asks, what would you do with it, I replied, the body of mine is shot, rotten, and battered, my transmission is about to kick the bucket, along with my whiny t-case. He said take it.....Exqueeze me come again? Says if I can and will use it I can have it, lol. So my new project daily driver the FreeKee, lol.
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Woohooo!! Solid Rocker panels!!
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I honestly have no idea what any of that crap does....
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As you can see, it needs some work, lol, It has a little roof damage, shown in the pic above, but is virtually rust free, which is a huge plus in my mind (I hate rust). No engine, but it does have a good t-case, and tranny. I'm going to be swapping my 4.0 into it out of my 97, and probably doing a carburetor conversion, (yes I know bass ackwards from the norm, lol). My main goal is to go simple, if a system is not there, it cannot fail (IE: fuel injection),not to mention, I like carbs (both on my engines and in my meals, hahaha), and enjoy working with them.
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Here's what is meant by "as close as it gets". Even though this Cherokee is an 88, it still wears its AMC name with pride, but it was built and sold in 87. 8)
grrrrrrrrrrrrrr photobucket is fouling up my pics again! Oh well the basic idea there :rotfl:.
So a little update on this ole gal, after almost two months of work, it's finally getting to the primer/paint stage. I'm not being too picky on this jeep, like I was on the SX/4, so the body work is shotty at best, at least it's not a rotter and will be one color, lol, roof isn't even close to straight but once it's lifted you'd have to be 7+ feet tall to notice, lol.
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There it is all stripped down to a rolling chassis (plus a windshield, lol). It was infested with rodents so it was necessary to remove everything for cleaning (just like the SX/4, but this jeep was much worse).
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notice to left roof, lol, headliner will hide the mess, it's better than it was so that's all that matters.
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As of yesterday, the shell now in primer.
Nice work. Keep it going!
AWESOME
Thanks guys, gotta keep going otherwise I'll be walking come winter :rotfl:.
After a very long weekend, and over 50 hours of work (no joke, I lack finger prints to prove it, haha), the jeep is painted.
How it all went down.
Friday night, I cleaned prepped, and primed the hatch, hood, and fenders (until about 2am)
Saturday 6:45 am, spent a good portion of the day cleaning and prepping all the body jambs, and engine bay for paint, then painted said areas. Pushed the jeep outside, proceeded the block all the doors, hood, hatch, header panel, and fenders. I then found that one of my doors was pretty bad in the looks depot, but it was late so I quit (2am).
Sunday 7:30 am, First thing, re-primer the bad door. Then prep, clean, etch prime and paint the back sides of the hood, fenders, header panel, and hatch. While waiting for that stuff to dry, I started on some wet sanding on the body shell. Once it was safe, fenders, header, and hood were installed (hatch set aside). Next, the back sides of the doors, prepped, cleaned, etched, and painted. A Friend stopped by, so just bs'd until the doors were dry enough to install, thanks to said Friend, lol. Finally the long night of wet sanding the roof, I wanted it done, so it was good and dry when it came time to paint (4am).
Monday, I slept in 8:30 am, Finished wet sanding, with the help of Dad, then proceded to clean, clean, clean, and further clean until I was ready for paint. All said and done, 6:00 PM
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One Color Jeep!!!
I still have lots of work to do, tonight will be consumed by wet sanding, in hopes that I can get rid of the some of the orange peel (keep in mind the majority of the paint I used, is over 15 years old, haha). I tried thinning the paint (as in three times the recommended amount), which helped, but it's just not up to my low standards for the jeep, lol. If it doesn't wet sand nice or well enough, I'll just have to clear it. Another step closer though, once I get it all cleaned up, and bring it to a proper shine I'll take some outdoor pics, the color is actually really cool.
Finished up the buffing over the weekend, turned out fairly decent, lol, kinda bugs me a bit that this thing turned out having a nicer paint job than my Malibu, hahaha, but it's not nearly as nice as the eagle 8). Anyway, a few more pics of how it turned out, finally got some daylight photos in there as well.
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ooooooooooo shiny lol
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yup, even under the hood
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So there it be, the time/weather sensitive portion is complete, now comes the part of reassembling, and getting it ready for winter, rat race is still on, haha.
if you are needing any pieces i have started to strip a 1991 cherokee so that my 94 winter beater can get a lift and my 95 can get a motor it really needs
Thanks bill, I think I may have most of what I need (I'll be stripping my 97 cherokee for many parts, suspension, engine, axles, interior, lol), unless you may have a pair of chrome door handles you'd like to sell, or maybe a 4bbl intake, and a chevy I6 HEI distributor, lol.
I have the HEI dizzy and the 4bbl intake if interested.
Nice work shaggimo! Keep the updates coming!. The color is great and I love seeing nice clean engine compartments. Now you get to fill it up with some muscle! >:D
Quote from: rohnk on September 12, 2011, 11:45:11 AM
Nice work shaggimo! Keep the updates coming!. The color is great and I love seeing nice clean engine compartments. Now you get to fill it up with some muscle! >:D
Thanks rohnk! lol, I do have a 455 laying around, waiting for an engine bay to corrupt >:D, nah I couldn't, lol, the 4.0 is much more practical at the moment, lol.
That's a pretty cool transformation from what it was. I've gotta do something like this to my Jeep. But mine is so rusty... :(
Quote from: amc78concord on September 12, 2011, 11:56:33 AM
That's a pretty cool transformation from what it was. I've gotta do something like this to my Jeep. But mine is so rusty... :(
I know where a great looking unibody is sitting ;)
Quote from: shaggimo on September 12, 2011, 10:34:51 AM
Thanks bill, I think I may have most of what I need (I'll be stripping my 97 cherokee for many parts, suspension, engine, axles, interior, lol), unless you may have a pair of chrome door handles you'd like to sell, or maybe a 4bbl intake, and a chevy I6 HEI distributor, lol.
Those would be acual AMC pieces and not too easy to come by, but I believe I know where there is a set that i could get for ya. Every time I am at that yard the old man keeps saying "you should get these babys to flashen up your cherokee" my responce "chrome don't get you home"
Quote from: amc78concord on September 12, 2011, 11:56:33 AM
That's a pretty cool transformation from what it was. I've gotta do something like this to my Jeep. But mine is so rusty... :(
They're getting difficult to find in rust free form in the salt belt, which is why I couldn't let this jeep go to the scrapper, even though it's pretty battered, lol.
Quote from: thereverendbill on September 12, 2011, 08:21:21 PM
Those would be acual AMC pieces and not too easy to come by, but I believe I know where there is a set that i could get for ya. Every time I am at that yard the old man keeps saying "you should get these babys to flashen up your cherokee" my responce "chrome don't get you home"
lol funny you mention that, I wasn't going to use them (same deal I can't stand cheesy chrome). My original plan was to use the ones from my 97, but then when removed one of the chrome ones, it about fell out of my hand, lol. I didn't realize they were metal, I figured they were cheesy plastic like all the others. So that's my reasoning for the chrome handles, lol. Anyway, lol, let me know a round about price for a pair, thanks.
it's probly gonna be about 2 weeks till i can get to the yard again, i am currently on the quest to find the stock rear tire carrier cause i hate having my spare where i haul the groceries (the fat kid in me calculates 4 more bags will fit where the tire sits now) and when i get the big rubber on the jeep it isn't gonna fit (the reasoning i tell the wife i need it)
lol :rotfl:, no hurry, I still don't have my engine out of the other cherokee yet, hahaha. It's amazing what we can sneak by our significant others with a little word twisting here and there, not lying, just twisting a want into a need ;) (my gf is very good at doing this to me as well, haha).
*I did find a distributor though...... ;D
Now for an intake, Gronk: did you get my pm?
Got it. I have a Clifford and an Offy intake. Neither are heated intakes. I don't know that I've seen a Cliff/Offy w/ water jackets. Have you thought about a stock 258 intake? I get $175 for the intakes locally. I can do that and ship for free.
Well my original plan involved a mc2100 (I obtained one a while back), which I could get an intake from my local yard, but........My plan has changed a bit, now I'm going with a Q-jet, lol (I may be recieving the mother load stash soon >:D). I know, odd choice, but I'm fluent with them and they work great on small cube engines (IE 4.1 and 4.3 GM V6), so in order to get the full benefit of it, the 4bbl intake is prefered.
Offy part# 6257DP is the water heated/cooled intake if you want to check it out. If you had one of these I would definitly jump on it for $175 :o great price!!
I'll think on the non heated, I'm just leary on the winter usage this will see, I've heard mixed opinions about drivability.
The weekend of the 17th-18th I removed the engine from the ole bomb, the :censored: had to fight me the whole time, but I got it, hahaha.
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So over the week I tore it down cleaned it up, gave it a re seal, and got it all ready for paint.
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Saturday started my paint work, now who can id this color? ;D
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Sunday rolled around, and I was feeling ambitious, in went the engine!
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Gotta love the high proprod hole on these, hood removal not necessary, lol.
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Still much wiring to do, but making progress, also installed the firewall mat, chassis harness, power brake unit, and HVAC box, still plugging away.
that is the engine color of the old V8 rambers isn't it ;D
Quote from: thereverendbill on September 27, 2011, 05:43:10 PM
that is the engine color of the old V8 rambers isn't it ;D
:occasion14: Yupyup!, lol, it's alamosa aqua used 68-72?, I've heard conflicting stories on if it was actually the color they used, some say yes, some say no, either way I think the color is kick :censored:, lol.
Nice job, I really mean that! Love seeing cleaned up engines looking like new. What did you clean it up with and what was your process? Lots of scrubbing or just a power wash?
Thanks rohn! Well this thing was very nasty, it was out my trail rig/dd that saw no cleaning, hahaha. First what I did, was soak the whole engine with purple power (I covered the vitals, generator, throttle body, and distributor), let it soak for about 20 minutes, then soaked it again. After it sat about ten minutes or so I pressure washed the heck out of it. Then soaked it in purple power again, got out my wire scrub brush, and scrubbed the heck out of it, then rinsed. I removed the accessories (altermator, p/s pump/ starter etc) and went around with a putty knife after it was dry to scrape any scale, bad paint, and stray grime that was left. It got yet another purple power bath, then rinsed. After it was all dry, it got a brake cleaner bath to remove any film that may have been left by the perple power. Regasketed, resealed, and wiped down with reducer prior to primer. Yes very time consuming, lol, but the end results are nice.
Egg for the info! Keep up the good work.
What is your plans for the interior?
Thanks! Well for starters, I applied penetrol to the whole floor, wheelwells, and inner quarters. I buried that in undercoating, then rolled the floor and wells with thick coats of implement paint (black). No carpet, as all these kee's were notorious leakers, so, having no rug lets the floor dry out and not rot away. The rest of the interior will be there, I have my black door panels and my black plaid seats from my first cherokee (1987) that have found their way into every jeep I've had, lol. I thought about taking the steering wheel back from my malibu (black CJ7 slotted spoke wheel :amc: Jeep logo center cap), but it fits the theme of that car too well 8), so stock cherokee wheel it is. I'll be SEM spraying the rest of the 88's gray interior to match. For now though since I'm tight budgeted and strapped for time, I'll be running around with just a dash board, door panels, belts, and seats :rotfl:. That's pretty normal for me though, the sx/4 is pretty much the same way at the moment, lol.
SWEEEEET........... 8)
Since you had the motor out, you could've made it a stroker!!! :o
lol thanks, I don't have any 258 donors laying around though, Eaglegirl would have my head on a stake if I took hers :rotfl:.
So yesterday my new intake arrived ;D Stoked.
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Got home last night and was all excited to be able to put on the new intake, ground my notches for the locating pins (I knew about that, lol), then when I went to put the intake on my mock up head It wouldn't fit, f#$@ #$%# &&$^ &$^^!!!! Being I'm running an aftermarket redesigned header, the #6 primary tube was almost completely in the way of the intake runner, I was :angry4: . So after a little while of thinking and drinking, I came up with my solution, which happens to be the same solution as I always use, sawzall + grinder + welder + Beer = parts that fit, hahaha.
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as you can see, the primary ran directly into the intake runner, this is after a little cutting, some heating and bending the primary tube down out of the way.
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This is the point where I realized, yup I'm committed to doing this, hahaha
Now all welded back up, mock fitted to my spare head, and tonight goes the install on the jeep!
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Final verdict, Offenhauser says their intake is NOT intended for use on a 4.0L head. ::)
Never seen it done that well done to get it to fit. My 2v mani fit without mods on a stock intake
Lookin fine there my man! Nice work!!
Thanks guys!
Are you running an HO head or early mk? The renix era ones I believe are still configured like the 258s, but I could be wrong on that. This Offy intake is huge though too, it dwarfs the stock 2bbl intake and the 4.0 injection intake :o, so that's most of the reason for additional mods.
Memory.......... 94¿??.... Ho head for sure. Could be 92.¿
With a BMH and a smoke wrench anything is possible!!
indeed, lol.
Is that offenhauser a dual port?
Is it water heated?
Yes and yes, lol, that's why I bit the bullet for a new one, I couldn't find one used (well not as fast as I needed it, lol).
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Quote from: shaggimo on October 07, 2011, 02:49:06 PM
Yes and yes, lol, that's why I bit the bullet for a new one, I couldn't find one used (well not as fast as I needed it, lol).
I wanted one like that but my husband said I already had the Clifford intake so I couldn't buy one. I suppose if it had required cutting apart my clifford 258 header that would have been something to consider.
I believe the clifford is a bit more fit friendly that the offy. Have yet to actually see one (clifford), but from what I have read, many people have had issues with the offy just being too big, lol, where as the clifford just bolts on. I too, may have some hood clearance issues, but oh well, worst case scenario I cut a hole in the hood, make a scoop and repaint, lol.
Not a whole lot to report, been keeping busy with minor details, getting all the wiring loomed up, accessories working, fenders bolted on (were just mock fitted), seams sealed, engine put back together, etc, etc, etc. Once I had the intake bolted to the engine, I ran into another snag, the original injected intake had mounts for the power steering pump to bolt to, the offy, not so, lol, at least not the same. I spent a night or so planning out and making a solution, in other words an adapter bracket.
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What started out as a flat chuck of 3/16 plate.
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mock up to intake with pump
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Ready to go!
Next on the agenda, the carb......I called up a friend of mine who hates them (carbs), he wanted his old ones off his bench, so I got a bunch of carbs to pick a part. Took a bit of time to dig them all out, but 10 parts carbs....Giggity. lol Once I got them all home and identified, I was able to pick my victim, 1980 chevy truck 800cfm quadrajet >:D.
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The pile!
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The winner! :lol:
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Cracked it open to find it was pretty gummed up and nasty, found a few other issues with it, but for the most part the carb was in good shape. I let it soak in carb dip for about 9 hours, then started my rebuild. I got lucky enough to have gotten a throttle plate that did not need to be bushed, so that was a big plus.
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A mod to prevent leakage, little epoxy over the caps just as an insurance policy as they are noted for leaking.
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Ran into a snag when I got to this point, I went to put on the airhorn, and realized the Olds configured one I chose to use was not quite the same as the chevy body I was using. So that put me back a night, lol. I was able to salvage the chev horn with a little extra work so no big deal, it's all together now, 8) .
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There you have it, The Rochester Quadrajet, the carb that everyone loves to hate :rotfl:
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Here we are mocked up to the engine, I'm in process of making my attachment brackets (fuel pressure regulator, throttle cable, trans cable, and tps). It seems likely I'll have to make my own air cleaner too, as hood clearance appears a little tight, hahaha I'm hoping I may be able to squeak a GM tbi hose intake type on there, we shall see....
lol, ah yes, I forgot to mention I dug out my old squarebore to spreadbore carb adapter, good eye ;) , lol.
Brother, just my experience, that 800CFM carb is going to be way too big for the 258. My $.02
Are you sure it's an 800CFM Quadrajet? Most of them were 750 and under.
How come such a huge carb for a small motor?
an 800CFM is massively overkill.
lol, Yes, I am sure it's an 800, I do have a 750cfm as well, it's a carter built version, looks a lot different on the outside, similar to the pre 75 models (I don't have parts for that type). Now I didn't go stock on this, I trimmed her down a bit, and I can go further if need be this is just my starting point. I have a collection of primary rods and jets, springs, different sets of secondary rods and hangers. It will be fun tuning this in, I have my work cut out for me, but it will work nice once I have it right. Besides these were designed to run super lean from the factory, I believe the primary side may only flow 225? So once I get the primaries set right with the part throttle, the secondaries are a breeze.
Oh this is a 4.0 btw :rotfl:, yes I'm that sick to have thrown away my efi in favor of a dinosaur.
Yes they do flow on the lean side. I've had several vehicles with Qjets on them, and I always got away with using a bigger Q jet then anything else. That's why I ask about the 800 though, they are pretty rare in comparison. The only way I remember to tell the difference is the primary's on the 800 don't taper off like the lower CFM's do.
A lot of people toss out Qjet's, because they aren't considered a good performance carb, but you can make them work okay with a bit of work.
I'm interested to see how it works out. 800CFM is enough to flood out a smaller V8. You could probably lean out the carb enough to run through rejetting etc.
I've seen a few 4.0 Carb conversions here, but they are all under 400cfm, unless they have heavy engine modification.
Keep us updated on it!
Absolutely, will do. I love the fact that people just throw these aside for a holley or afb, I kick myself in the :butthead: for doing the same for while. I had a few really good ones at one point, but I listened to all my buddies (dispised qjets, still do, lol), and ditched them in favor of something else, live and learn hahaha. Now I grab all the free quads that I can find 8).
As of now I have the carb set up similar to what a 305 would've had, between the jets/rods/hanger/apt I think this should get me at least in the ball park. I understand the shock of the cfm rating, (I know it sounds crazy :o ) but, that's what it's capable of, not what it actually does. I run a 800 quad on my Olds 350 from a cadillac 500, I left the primary side completely alone (didn't even touch the apt), but I fattened up the secondaries considerably. At WOT, I'm good, runs great, part throttle cruise I'm a bit lean, I never really addressed this prior because I didn't have the parts to do so (but now I do 8)). So granted that's like comparing apples to oranges, but if you were to look at volume alone, we're only talking 63ci, where as the caddy vs Olds is 150ci. If anything, I'm thinking Ill be lean right off the bat. Time will tell, I should be able to fire this thing this weekend ;D.
Utica Club - need i say more
:rotfl: Ok, so maybe my "better" judgment has been altered by my local swill, bahahahaha. :occasion14: It agrees with me a little better than GENESEE, lol.
Little update, As of Sunday, 5:30 pm, It's ALIIIIIVE!!! Bwahahahahaha!! I have a running/moving quadrajet equipped 4.0 and an AW4! hahaha. It actually runs pretty decent, a little on the rich side, but not bad enough to spew black smoke and/or load up :D. It fought me for a little while for the first fire, I screwed around for a while with timing and then thought maybe I had it 180 out (it backfired though the carb a few times). That did nothing for me, so back to where I had it, finally I decided to swap out the ignition module (happened to have a spare laying around), that fixed it, lol. I tinkered around with it for a while, runs decent, idles smooth, great throttle response. Maybe if I get the tps situation sorted out I can take this thing for a test drive and see what it'll do!
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Looks great and good luck! I'm sure you will get it sorted out!
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Shaggimo, I recommend running a ceramic regulator to the power wire running to your HEI. They are under $10 and will make sure you don't cook anything.
Wouldn't that careate a voltage drop though? Or am I not thinking right? lol
I know the type you mean, the jeep has one mounted on the oposite inner fender. I'm told that one is for the fuel pump.
My understanding mind you is that a 12V regulator will provide a constant 12V, not 14, not 12.5, etc. The excess is burned off as heat.
Oh ok, gotcha, makes sense, thanks for the tip! 8)
That's just how I have always done it after hearing of HEI's frying after 3 months of use. I've never had one cook, even the cheao-o-chineese ones.
Quote from: eagleman on October 19, 2011, 02:57:18 PM
Looks great and good luck! I'm sure you will get it sorted out!
Thanks! Yup i did get it sorted out last night, lol, little change in wher my linkage hooked to, and it's right on ;D.
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So the bracket's all made up painted and ready for install tonight. I'd say I'd take it for a test drive (yes it's "on the road" legally already, lol), but a spring on the garage door broke, so as of now the jeep is trapped in the barn :rotfl: . Unless maybe we'll have the new spring tonight, that would be nice ;D.
GRONK: Makes me wonder if gm used resistor wire or not, Ive never burned up a module in my car, well, not in almost 12 years anyway, lol. If I have time, I may hop on Mitchell about that, but what you say makes perfect sense to me.
Curious on that resistor myself. I have a cheapo china on my 304 eagle.
using the ceramic regulator will also allow you to run your HEI directly off of the starter solenoid RUN position. I've always used it as insurance and have never had any issues. You read all the time about HEI's burning up.
So I checked with something better than Mitchell, lol, I alwways forget that I have a Factory Service Manual for Oldsmobile :footinmouth: , lol. I looked through various diagrams of different models and such, none with resistors, I still think it's a good idea though, better safe than sorry right? cheap insurance policy lol
My msd has run at the flick of a 12v supply for years.
So.........As of friday night, the 4 months of work on this rig has shown its first sign of success. I took the jeep out for a little test drive, and I do mean little, lol, only had a gallon of gas in it so I didn't stray to far from home, haha. I went down the street about a 1/4 mile of so, it shifted through the gears fairly nice, a bit early in my mind, I'll make adjustments to fix that. My ride continued around the corner, off the main road, over to where few could see me ;D. Then I proceeded with what I like to call the "Throttle Response Test", lined it up straight on the road, let it idle down for a few seconds, let off the brake pedal, and smash the gas to the floor. I'll say this, it passed.......with spinning tires, :rotfl: , as soon as it started to dog walk, I let off, needless to say I was more than impressed, I was planning for it to fall on its face with a huge bog, definitly not the case, lol. Maybe by next weekend I can get a little vid clip of this creature running and driving :rotfl:.
VERY NICE!!!
If there's hood clearance, I might also recommend spacing the carb up an inch or two. I have spacers if you want to try. Your thread has been very exciting to follow brother.....
Quote from: GRONK on October 24, 2011, 11:54:44 AM
VERY NICE!!!
If there's hood clearance, I might also recommend spacing the carb up an inch or two. I have spacers if you want to try. Your thread has been very exciting to follow brother.....
lol, Thanks Gronk! Unfortunately hood clearance is an issue, lol, I do have the adapter in there which offers an inch, but I'm maxed out unless I cut the hood :-\ . I did come up with a couple solutions to combat minor details that kept me from driving this thing for more than a few minutes though. In my true form, more homemade parts, lol. Finished off the tps bracket and made up my linkage to tie it to the carb, turned out fairly decent, works great so that's all that really matters. That took quite a bit of messing around just to get the throw right to keep the sensor in its operating range.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/TPS2.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/TPS1.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/TPS3.jpg)
Next up, as mentioned, I had some serious lack of hood clearance on this, I had to come up with a solution to get filtered air to the carb (without cutting a hole in the hood), and hope it's not too restrictive. So what started out as flat pieces of sheet metal, now looks as follows, lol.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/AIR3.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/AIR1.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/AIR2.jpg)
I know it's rather goofy looking, but it clears the hood, and offers about a 4 inch diameter opening at the filter. It doesn't lose any size entering the carb, even though it looks choked off, basically if one were to flatten the 4" pipe, it ends up being the same size as the carb inlet. Should be enough flow for the little 6 banger, lol. It's now painted up and ready for install tonight, then maybe slap some bumpers on, plug the drain holes in the floor and it should be ready to hit the streets, on a semi regular basis.
I don't think it looks goofy at all! As a matter of fact I think its pretty cool and shows some serious thinking on your part!
lol, Thanks!
I'm also impressed with your home fabricated air cleaner. I especially like how you made a smooth transition from round pipe to rectangular hole. I've tried to do that sort of thing in the past and ended up with a beat up piece of metal full of all manner of kinks and bends.
Why are you running a TPS? Maybe I missd it. Are you not running a vac advance to the distributor? Maybe I'm missing something else (usually the case) This is very intresting to me as I have a few ideas of my own if you are controling an electronicly controled distributor with the TPS
Thanks priya! My first attempt with making the extention piece ended up just that, a beat up piece of metal, lol, then I changed my method a bit. I originally tried to make the rectangular end on an existing round pipe, not so sucessful. So I made the rectangle first, by clamping only about 4 inches worth of flat in my vise. Just bending that small area cause the remainder to curl itself to an almost round shape, then it was just a manner of minor tapping and forming the final shape.
Gronk: The reason for the tps is only for the transmission (AW4), from what I understand, the tps sends a signal to the tcm which is the deciding factor on when to shift. Basically it does the job of the vacuum modulator like what the old gm thm350's had. The distributor is just a regular HEI unit with vacuum advance like you'd find on a 78 nova I6 for instance.
Makes perfect sense. Thanks for clering that up. great job!
Little update, my goofy pipe air cleaner was a bust, it didn't work :banghead: . It was far too restrictive, and too close to the airhorn, it caused terrible idle (had to set idle at 1000rpm), and off idle problems (stumble), not to mention I couldn't open the secondaries with out it falling on its face. So my solution, even though I said I wouldn't do it, I had to make the hood "higher" to fit an open element cleaner, hahaha.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP01.jpg)
Starting with a flat piece of sheetmetal
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP02.jpg)
With the help of a few strategically placed cuts, a couple 2 x 4's, C-clamps, vise grips, hammer, welder, and grinder, that flat piece turns into this....
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP03.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP04.jpg)
Little skim coat of body filler to hide a couple dimples left by the hammer (I need a sheetmetal brake, ::)).
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP05.jpg)
All primered up.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP06.jpg)
Painted up, and ready for install.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP08.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP09.jpg)
Then, enter jeep :covereyes: , I hated to do it, and it was nerve racking, but it had to be done, I took a cut off wheel to the hood, lol.
My area marked, and the surrounding areas protected from sparks.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP10.jpg)
No turning back now, >:D hahaha
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP12.jpg)
Yup it fits, lol, and yes I'll be running a taller filter maybe and inch taller or so.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP16.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP11.jpg)
Finally, the jeep with its newest addition.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP15.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP18.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP17.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/SCOOP14.jpg)
As seen above, the bulge is fastened to the hood via rivits (can't really call it a "scoop" cause it doesn't scoop, hahaha).
Yes it's even more goofy than my pipe blunder, but, this antic actually had a positive result! lol. Without making a single change to the carb, idle quality improved, throttle response returned, and secondaries opened with out almost stalling the engine. So now I'm in process of re-tuning the carb after I had goofed around with it to get it to run with the tube, I have it close, but I know there's more to gain (I have re-time as well). At least I can smash the gas from a dead stop and not bog out, lol, now it's a matter of getting the secondaries dialed.
Very nice. Looks like you can run a thicker filter and even add a feeder (return) line up under that cover from a cooler part of the engine bay. A simple 12V line fan and a little tubing will circulate that thing very well.
:occasion14: Thanks!! I like that idea, that gives me something to think about, more projects, lol.
Very nice! I like the way you incorporated everything. Maybe you can add a spacer or two to the carb as GRONK had suggested earlier. Then you wouldn't need a taller air cleaner and you might get a little more HP.
Well done!
Thanks! True, I could do that, lol, another thing to think about.
Looks pretty sweet to me... I've got hood scoops on my XJ. But they're fake, and don't provide extra air into the intake as no holes are cut into my hood... But you could actually do that with yours! But that would allow more dirt, dust, and debris to get into places where it shouldn't be...
But looks sweet non-the-less.
:occasion14:
Thanks! :occasion14: Yeah dirt and water are the reasons I decided to leave it sealed up, lol. I like GRONKs idea with the fresh air tube though, I've been sorta thinking on how to do that, maybe in the winter or spring when I get a chance.
Time for a little update, Jeep's been running great this past month, so I figured it was about time to put the booger up in the air. I used most of the old junk off my other one, but eliminated my lift blocks finally, lol. Up front I used 4 1/2 BDS coils, my old modified stock upper and lower control arms, WJ track bar set up with a modified xj mount, and ZJ pitman arm. Out back, I used the BDS 3 1/2 spring packs, slightly trimmed shackles from a chevy k1500 (late 80's-late 90's style), made some new "bolt in" bar pin eliminators (as opposed to my last two cheros that were welded in, lol), and re used my comanche shocks. Along with the prior trimming, clears the 33's rather nicely, the 34's should complete the look, lol.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/FREEKEE007.jpg)
Now I just have to decide what to do about the CAD (whether I cable it, hose clamp it, or just put the axleshafts from my 97 in), add a couple recovery points, and it's ready to wheel. Then we'll really see how well that goofy carb works, hahaha. Speaking of wheeling ;D .............It's getting to be that time of year, my annual Snow Run!! It's still mild out but, as any cny'er will tell you, you can and will have all four seasons in one day here, lol, so that being said, I will keeping close tabs on the weather, and maybe start a separate thread for updates, this year I have an informant in one of the possible areas 8) .
Very nice brother.....
Thanks GRONK!
Nice. It is screaming for some wheel well flares though. Maybe a nice set from BushWhacker?!
Awesome job brother. I'll bring my SX4 your way to be next in line!
:rotfl: lol thanks Rohn, I like to be flareless, kinda like the SX/4 (even though the sx isn't mine, it was my influence to ditch the flares ;D). It would save the paint a bit, but, also let the nasty stuff in (salt belt), so it's a kinda lose-lose situation, lol, at least without the flares I can watch it rust, hahaha (maybe catch it before it's too late).
Maybe when I have my own place to do this kind of work I can offer help to others, currently I work in "borrowed" space, lol, hmmm someday.
That is B.A.
... :notworthy:
lol, thanks robert!
Very nice work on that Cherokee. I am impressed.
Thanks Brandon! :occasion14:
Being that the Q-Jetted 4.0 has done very well on road, it was about time to see how it acted offroad. New Years day a friend of mine always hosts a trail ride on his property, this run was the cherokee's maiden trip off the beaten path. Line up as pictured below, Toyota rock buggy, 2 chryco cherokees, my 88, an 86 commanche, a chevy tracker (don't laugh, it kicks ***, lol), a YJ wrangler, and the property owners Toyota 4 runner.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/jeep%20offroad/LINEUP.jpg)
No it's not an optical illusion, the rock buggy is really that much bigger than a cherokee on 33's, lol).
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/jeep%20offroad/JEEP1-1.jpg)
Little view of the chero on 34's
The cherokee performed exceptionally well offroad, even with all the off canter scenarios, steep climbs and descends. I was more than impressed, as were my passengers, two of my friends that had a less than stellar opinion of the quadrajet, haha. The q-jet barely skipped a beat, the only time it copped an attitude is when I had the jeep almost standing on the back bumper, only then did it stall, but only cause I let it idle down (I didn't want to go over backwards, lol). My friend with the commanche was the only other vehicle out there with a carb on it (running a 318 and ax15), though I believe he's running a holley, and it was giving him a bit of grief on the climbs. He and I were also the only ones running our daily drivers, so we were supposed to keep each other from doing anything dumb and breaking or damaging our rigs, lol......He broke a trackbar on of the climbs.
Since this is a thread about other AMC vehicles, here's a couple shots of the 86 Manche.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/jeep%20offroad/MANCHE1.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/jeep%20offroad/MANCHE2-1.jpg)
Down through the twisties, and steep hills lead us to the final obstacle, all the rigs that go always do very well up until the last hill climb, three rigs managed to reach the top without the aid of a winch. The Rock buggy (obviously, lol), the toyota 4 runner, and the 88 :D .
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/jeep%20offroad/JEEP5.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/jeep%20offroad/JEEP7.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/jeep%20offroad/JEEP6.jpg)
All in all, the carbureted 4.0 is a great success, both on and offroad. There is no lack of power on the trail, no hesitation, and no bog, smash the gas to the floor and try not to over rev, hahaha.
Oh one more thing, I can't end this response without some actual proof, so here's a video of the jeep tackling the final hill. My Girlfriend starts the run, gets out after spinning sideways in the middle of the trail (scary to say the least), leaves me to figure out how to get the thing back down the hill with out going inverted, then it's a throttle fest to the top, hahaha. So here's close to 10 minutes worth of 4.0 torture....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCeBYdV3_wg&feature=youtu.be
***No body damage occurred from this trail run***
Thanks GRONK!
That's some serious clay yer wheelin in. Need lockers.
I agree there, lol, lockers would really make that thing rip.... Someday maybe, lol.
Awesome. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Brandon!
Looks good!
Thanks!
One more pic I forgot to post previously, this is m favorite shot of the jeep so far. WOT, and the left front tire barely touching the ground, made for a good action shot, props to miss for catching it 8).
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/jeep%20offroad/minicrop.jpg)
NOICE MATE! lol :rotfl:
Those are some amazing photos!
Thanks Robert! My gf got some great pics that day. :occasion14:
Little update, haven't done a whole lot to the jeep, but, I did manage to revamp my crappy old bumper (from the other kee) into something a little less offensive, and a bit more useful.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/bumper01-1.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER02.jpg)
Starting with this rusty goofy looking thing I built back in 05 for my cherokee prior to the 97.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER09.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER08.jpg)
Added a little extra support.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER06.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER07.jpg)
Capped off the ends, lobbed off a big chunk of stinger.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/bumper04.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/bumper05.jpg)
Built a radius to replace my squared off stinger.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/bumper03.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/bumper10.jpg)
all welded up, ground, and mocked up to make the ends.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/bumper12.jpg)
Ready for cleaning.
I forgot to mention a couple of my butcher jobs in order to get this goof ball bumper on this slightly mangled rig. When I got it, the passenger side rail was pushed back about two inches, my friend that I got it from, just welded the bumper on straight on the jeep, lol, hey it worked. It wasn't going to work for me though, so went ahead and straightened the mangle area. I got it to about 1 inch out, and it would go no further. Hated to do it, but out came the cut off wheel, cut the section out, straightened the surrounding area then straightened the cut out, and welded it back together.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER34.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER35.jpg)
I was then able to weld on my support plates (14ga steel) to help beef it up for recovery.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER33.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/bumper32.jpg)
this was the mangled side.
By this time the bumper was ready for paint....Implement enamel low gloss black.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER17.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER13.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER14.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER15.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER16.jpg)
not before a little etch primer lol.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER19.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER20.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/BUMPER25.jpg)
There it be painted up, drying for install.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/bumper27.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/bumper29.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/bumper31.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/JEEP002.jpg)
All said and done, ready for torture, hahaha. It just had bath in this pic, kinda funny, I've washed this rig more in the few months I've driven it, than the 4 years I drove the other one, :rotfl: .
Sweet XJ! You have a lot of work into it. My fiance's off road rig is a 89 xj pioneer on a 6.5" lift and 35"s. Good vehicles.
Thanks! That they are, very fun and capable.
Love your Jeep. The videos are fun to watch on YouTube too! :)
Man... and your friend was going to scrap it!
Great work man... Great work :occasion14:
Always have enjoyed this thread. I've been following it from day one and I am impressed with the rig for sure. Makes me want to run out and buy a Cherokee! You can find them anywhere and high mile ones are under 2 grand. Gotta get my Eagle done first though or the wife will hurt me!
Thanks guys! It was a fun project, my friend that I got it from had way too many projects going (couple willys, couple comanches, rat rod, 51 pontiac, wrangler, and others, lol), he just didn't have the time to do it. I'm sure my gf would get pretty mad if I dragged home more projects like this, lol, so I have be carfeful on "what" follows me home, :rotfl: .
Been a long while since I've updated this thread, really haven't done much to the rig except drive and wheel it, lol. I got a little bored last night though, the barn was warm, so I decided to pull the jeep in for a little experiment. As I may have mentioned before, the jeep has a vacuum actuated front axle for 2 and 4wd, my method of controlling that has been less than desirable. Open the hood, uncap the actuator hoses, hook one to vacuum, get in jeep, go forward, the reverse so the collar can lock or unlock the axle, get out, cap the vac line not hooked to vacuum, unplug the line hooked to vacuum cap it off, then cap off the vacuum leak. The wheels were turining after successfully getting the red car's 4wd working properly, wondered if I could use the eagle switch to operate the jeeps front axle, I happen to have a parts eagle for some unknown reason :rolleyes: .
First had to figure out how and where to mount it.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/4wd01.jpg)
Almost too easy, it almost seems like it was made to go there, no cutting, trimming, or drilling of any sort, the switch has a clamp retainer in the back of it. All I had to do was put a piece of sheet metal behind the bezel, tighten the screws, which clamped the sheetmetal to the bezel holding the switch firmly in place. The hole was already in the bezel, there was an inop dash clock taking up space, with removal of the clock (3 screws) it left a deep enough hole for the switch to sit in. There was a perfect gap between the cluster and the dash to run vacuum lines down through, along with a hole in the firewall in an almost too convenient place :lol: .
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/4wd02.jpg)
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/shaggimo/FREEKEE/4wd03.jpg)
There you have it, I hooked up the vacuum lines (wrong the first time of course), and it works perfectly. Now I just have to take it back apart and paint it to match the rest of the interior, hahaha.
For the past almost 5 years my jeep parts have found homes on eagles, it's about time an Eagle donated a part to the Jeep, lol.
Sadly, I'm selling my MJ, but that's so I can fix my FSJ!
I've seen the add, looks like a nice solid truck 8).
It is solid. No rust at all in it.