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Title: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on June 02, 2009, 12:35:52 AM
I have been working on installing a full frame and straight front alxe into my 1983 Eagle Wagon. I started this project because I broke one of the original control arms on the IFS after installing a Chevy 4.3 V6, 700R4 overdrive transmission, and two speed NP231 transfer case. When I am finished with this frame and axle, I will install the same Chevy running gear as before. I also have a Ford 8.8 rear axle that I am installing. It will be four linked and use the same shocks as the front.
(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/Frame1.jpg)
(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/Frame2.jpg)
(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/Frame3.jpg)
(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/Axle3.jpg)
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on June 02, 2009, 12:40:28 AM
Here are some more axle picture.

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/Axle1.jpg)
(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/Axle2.jpg)
(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/Axle4.jpg)
(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/Axle6.jpg)
(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/Axle5.jpg)
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Ökensörn on June 02, 2009, 01:03:30 AM
Very impresive, if you ever want to higher out let me know I'm in North PHX.  Actaully I have a welding class with Eagle I this Saturday if you would like to stop buy I'm sure he wouldn't mind.   ;D
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: priya on June 02, 2009, 12:49:46 PM
That looks like quite a job.  What was involved in removing the original Eagle "frame"?
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on June 02, 2009, 09:03:00 PM
Quote from: joshpit2003 on June 02, 2009, 11:57:50 AM
awesome!.... you may be the first one w/ a 4-link.

how much did those coil-overs cost you?
and are you buying all the welding tabs or just plasma cutting/tourching them out?

thanks,

-josh


I have a set of 4 coil-overs and the set retails for around $1,200.
Also, I cut all my own tabs and brackets at my house with a tourch (I wish I had a plasma). I got a couple sheets of 4 foot by 8 foot steel plate in 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" thickness. This is plenty of material to make any bracket/tab I need. However, I bought my heim joints from ruffstuffspecialties.com. I noticed that they sell all kinds of custom brackets and weld-in tabs for cheap. 
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on June 02, 2009, 09:14:40 PM
Quote from: joshpit2003 on June 02, 2009, 11:59:24 AM
also... great job chopping the subframe out....

we typically dislike when people throw a frame under the eagle, but in your case it seems it will be so darn clean-looking no one will even notice.

awesome job again.... you just better finish it and not stop like some poeple (Willy!) haha.

-josh!

I like my Egle. I don't want to see it look like a jacked-up 4WD pick-up. I would have bought a pick-up for that. I want my Eagle to look like an Eagle, but also be able to handle the trails with confidence. Thats why I desided to remove the original frame all together. Trying to adapt a frame to the original would have been harder to keep it stock looking.

And don't worry. I will finnish it.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on June 02, 2009, 09:18:22 PM
Quote from: joshpit2003 on June 02, 2009, 12:01:16 PM
i'm alo waiting to see how you mount the power steering box and your tracking bar


I think the power steering box will not be that hard to mount. I plan on using U-joints to connect the steering box to the steering wheel. However, the track bar is another story. I don't have a good design yet. My plan is to install the engine and then look at what option I have.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: IowaEagle on June 02, 2009, 09:25:21 PM
So far it appears you are doing an excellent job here.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on June 02, 2009, 09:29:12 PM
It seems like a simple task to remove the frame, but that was not the case. It took a couple of days after work of cutting with the gas tourch. I had to cut it out in layers.

Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on June 03, 2009, 12:59:09 AM


I am going to triangulate the rear axle and not use a track bar, but because of the engine, steering, exhaust..., there was no room to use that set-up in the front. I have to use the track bar up front.

Also, in order to keep the correct pinion angle, I had to cut the top mounting tabs on the axle and weld them offset of the bottom. They are a couple inches farther forward on the axle, in order to add length to the top control arm. With this set-up, the uper and lower arms are almost the exact same length. this helps keep the axle in line during its 8 inches of travel.

This was not an easy task. I had the axle in and out, up and down, and back and forth to find the right geometry before welding stuff in place. The pictures in this post are before I dialed in the adjustments. I was just so excited to have the axle in the car that I could not wait to take pictures and share them with everyone on the Eagles Nest. 
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: priya on June 03, 2009, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: Animal on June 02, 2009, 09:29:12 PM
It seems like a simple task to remove the frame, but that was not the case. It took a couple of days after work of cutting with the gas tourch. I had to cut it out in layers.


What about where the original frame flanged to the floorboards, how did you remove that part ( I assume you couldn't cut it off with the gas axe without also cutting into the floorboards), or did you leave that part of it attached to the floorboards?
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: mick on June 03, 2009, 10:45:26 PM
Animal, looks great!!!  I owe you an apoligy, I have been so caught up in my own project that I haven't read any of the new posts in weeks.  And your build is something I would've posted on immediately.  Sorry it took me so long.

The build looks very clean and well thought out.  The coil overs look like Race Runners, are they?  What travel are they?  All of your welds look great.  I am most impressed.  What size tire you planning on running?  Looks like a TJ/ZJ axle since it is low pinion.  What ratio are you running?

I have heard of ruffstuff but haven't checked out their site.  Another great place for brackets tabs and heims is BallisticFab.  That is where I get most our stuff.

When you get this thing done meet Josh and I in Moab.  We could sure use the company!!
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on June 03, 2009, 11:21:01 PM
Quote from: priya on June 03, 2009, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: Animal on June 02, 2009, 09:29:12 PM
It seems like a simple task to remove the frame, but that was not the case. It took a couple of days after work of cutting with the gas tourch. I had to cut it out in layers.


What about where the original frame flanged to the floorboards, how did you remove that part ( I assume you couldn't cut it off with the gas axe without also cutting into the floorboards), or did you leave that part of it attached to the floorboards?

Sorry, your right. I did not cut off the tabs that connect the original frame to the body. I left the extra metal in place to have more meat to weld my new frame to.

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/Frame.jpg)

Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on June 03, 2009, 11:36:54 PM
Quote from: mick on June 03, 2009, 10:45:26 PM
Animal, looks great!!!  I owe you an apoligy, I have been so caught up in my own project that I haven't read any of the new posts in weeks.  And your build is something I would've posted on immediately.  Sorry it took me so long.

The build looks very clean and well thought out.  The coil overs look like Race Runners, are they?  What travel are they?  All of your welds look great.  I am most impressed.  What size tire you planning on running?  Looks like a TJ/ZJ axle since it is low pinion.  What ratio are you running?

I have heard of ruffstuff but haven't checked out their site.  Another great place for brackets tabs and heims is BallisticFab.  That is where I get most our stuff.

When you get this thing done meet Josh and I in Moab.  We could sure use the company!!



Thanks for the reply.

They are Race Runner shocks by Sway-A-Way with an 8" stroke. I plan on putting 33" tires on this when I am completed, but I have a set of brand new 31" mud tires I am going to use for now.

Aslo, the Axle is out of a 2001 Jeep Cherokee. It had only 65,000 miles on it when I got it. However, I rebuilt it with 3.73 gears to match the rear Ford 8.8" axle I have for it. But, when I get the chance, I am going to put 4.10 gears in front and back because I am running the 700R4 overdrive transmission and can still keep the drivability of the car to use around town and go on camping trips.

When I complete the project, I would love to take it and my wife on a trip to Moab. I think it is about a days trip from where I live.

Hope to see you there soon,
Brandon
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: rollguy on June 04, 2009, 12:20:09 AM
That is awesome!  I am glad to see another Eagle Straight Axle buildup. I am sure you will be very happy with the way it performs on the trail when you get it done. When I did mine (about 10 years ago), I used leaf springs, but Coil Overs is now the way to go. Keep up the good work!!
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: 83Eagle! on September 03, 2009, 01:40:46 AM
That is some great work you are doing there on your Eagle.  I am impressed.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: colter on September 26, 2009, 08:06:12 PM
nice job one day I would like to do the same to my eagle.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Mavericke on September 26, 2009, 08:52:55 PM
I've been "stealing" every picture I can find on this... I love the work man. Looks very clean and professional. Did you already mention what size engine you're dropping there? Any updated pictures?
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: milliard431 on September 27, 2009, 10:43:46 PM
We need a picture fix. can't wait to see updates.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: colter on September 28, 2009, 03:48:46 PM
man! looks good! do you still have the dimensions for the the frame?
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: landphil on December 08, 2009, 12:17:35 AM
Any updates Animal?  would love to know how you have progressed.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Mavericke on December 12, 2009, 04:27:44 PM
Quote from: colter on September 28, 2009, 03:48:46 PM
man! looks good! do you still have the dimensions for the the frame?

That's what I'm looking for... of course, I'll wait until he finishes it before I ask... just in case there have to be some last minute changes, lol!

Can't wait for an update!
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on December 20, 2009, 10:32:43 PM
Quote from: landphil on December 08, 2009, 12:17:35 AM
Any updates Animal?  would love to know how you have progressed.

I will be posting an update soon. I just moved from Arizona to Texas. I did not have it totaly complete yet, so I had to tow it with me. I have made alot of progress on it and finnished the rear frame and installed the rear four linked ford 8.8 rear end with disc brakes. I will take pictures and post them soon. 
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on December 27, 2009, 05:07:41 PM
I am posting some new pictures of my project. I fabricated a full frame from front to rear and intergrated it into the body. I also installed a solid front axle and four linked the front and rear ends. The rear axle is a ford 8.8" with disc brakes out of a Ford Explorer. It is the same with and same bolt pattern as stock. The shocks are RaceRunner Sway-A-Way Off road coilovers. I also scored a set of 33" BFG mud terrains.

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/E3-1.jpg)

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/E2.jpg)

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/E1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Screamin'Eagle on December 27, 2009, 06:22:12 PM
nice!!

How about a side shot of the car to see what the stance is like?
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on December 27, 2009, 06:37:57 PM
Here is the side shot.

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/E5.jpg)

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/E6.jpg)
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: rollguy on December 27, 2009, 06:46:44 PM
Quote from: Animal on December 27, 2009, 06:37:57 PM
Here is the side shot.

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/E5.jpg)

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/E6.jpg)

WOW!!! that thing is an ANIMAL!!
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: ogre on December 28, 2009, 10:08:49 PM
DANG! That thing is beastly! Well done!
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Eagleearl on December 29, 2009, 04:11:06 AM
Very nice indeed and HEAVY DUTY!! Have you figured out the drvetrain yet?
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on December 29, 2009, 07:09:08 PM
Quote from: Eagleearl on December 29, 2009, 04:11:06 AM
Very nice indeed and HEAVY DUTY!! Have you figured out the drvetrain yet?

I have installed a new Chevy 4.3 V6, 700R4 overdrive transmission , and Chevy 2 speed NP231 transfer case. I ran it with this running gear for about 400 miles before I broke the stock front suspension. So, I took it back to the shop (my garage) and one thing led to another. I will probably sell my V6 and replace it with a 350 V8 now that the frame and running gear can handle it.

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/E1.jpg)

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/E4.jpg)

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/E3.jpg)

Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: rollguy on December 29, 2009, 07:38:21 PM
I have just "egged" you for the awesome job on your Eagle!
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: landphil on December 29, 2009, 10:09:14 PM
Thanks for the update.  That thing looks great.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: 83Eagle! on December 30, 2009, 02:43:52 AM
Wow that thing is awesome.  It looks great.  Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Mavericke on January 03, 2010, 04:08:33 AM
I was in love until I saw that Chevy engine, LOL!!! I have to admit though... even tho it's a vortec 4.3... it sure looks purty! Haha, I gotta give ya crap because I've got an 02 Blazer with the vortec in it... needless to say, I'm not very happy with it. :/

Great build tho man! I agree with you... if your going through all that work, you might as well drop the V8 in it.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: tuff1 on February 23, 2010, 10:54:27 AM
wow, I soo wish I had money to do that, Big fat tires and huge coilovers, I think Id stick to the AMC though, and go 360 or 401  >:D Id be able to really tear it up in Moab.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: 68AMXGOPAC on February 23, 2010, 11:06:42 AM
HOLY CRAP :o
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: yent0088 on February 23, 2010, 12:11:53 PM
Awesome build!  I love what you did with the integrated frame and 4-link. 
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: 350cherokee on February 23, 2010, 12:42:38 PM
that thing looks great, i have thought of putting a 350 in one of these ever since i saw one for sale about a year ago, never got the chance to buy it, it got sold before i had the money, my friend is now looking at a 4 door sedan and we are planning to do something like this with it eventually, great build, its always nice to see the different ways these things have been lifted, gives great ideas for the (hopefully) future project
ps cant wait to see what this thing is capable of, it looks like a monster
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: monsterbronc on February 23, 2010, 02:09:57 PM
Dude, youre making my rusty ole  wagon look bad, I only got 4" of lift. I sadly have been forbidden to make it any higher by my wife. I do however want to put solid axle in the front, and a rearend with discs if possible.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on April 13, 2010, 10:23:39 PM
Now that I am done moving and am settled in, I have been putting long hours in on the Eagle again. I thought I would post some picture of my progress and prove that I have not given up on it. I just got the engine in yesterday. After a year of working on it, I am on the downhill slop now.

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/new6.jpg)

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/1.jpg)

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/2.jpg)

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/4.jpg)

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/3.jpg)

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/5.jpg)
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: IowaEagle on April 14, 2010, 06:48:51 AM
I forgot all about this project.  It looks like it is coming along nicely.  I forget, what engine did you put in?
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: 68AMXGOPAC on April 14, 2010, 07:19:14 AM
WOW, way cool !! I didn't forget about it, but didn't realise you did such extensive mods on the front clip.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: shaggimo on April 14, 2010, 08:27:53 AM
That looks awesome! great work!
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: yent0088 on April 14, 2010, 11:27:32 AM
Wow!  Amazing work!  It looks great.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: eaglebeek on April 14, 2010, 01:07:55 PM
It's an understatement to say "well done." It's awesome!

I'm curious...did you use a jig to hold the frame rails straight while you welded it up?  Are there any cross members other than those for suspension links and the transmission rear mount? And finally, are the sheet metal inner fenders also intended to strengthen/stiffen the front structure?
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on April 14, 2010, 09:26:16 PM
  I forget, what engine did you put in?
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I put a new Chevy 4.3L V6 in it. However, now with all the extra weight, I am going to put a mild 350 V8 in. I made the frame to fit the V8 and put in a four core radiator with doul 16" electric fans.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on April 14, 2010, 09:45:20 PM
Quote from: eaglebeek on April 14, 2010, 01:07:55 PM
It's an understatement to say "well done." It's awesome!

I'm curious...did you use a jig to hold the frame rails straight while you welded it up?  Are there any cross members other than those for suspension links and the transmission rear mount? And finally, are the sheet metal inner fenders also intended to strengthen/stiffen the front structure?

Good questions.

I did make some jigs to weld the frame rails. I also took extra time to make sure my welds did not pull the angles out of alignment.

I did not put the sheet metal in to add stiffness, just keep the rocks, mud, sticks and...? out of my radiator and engine. The 1 1/2" by .188 wall tubing makes it plenty strong. I did use 16awg sheet metal and fully welded it to the tubing.

I do have one cross member between the engine and radiator. I used a section of 3" channel iron. other than that, I used 3"X2" 1/4" wall tubing for the frame. I also used 1/2" plate to fabricate the steering box mount.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Mavericke on April 14, 2010, 10:23:05 PM
NICE!
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: 83Eagle! on April 17, 2010, 01:23:49 AM
Wow how did I miss the latest update.  Very nice work.  I also didn't realize how much modification you did to the fron clip and I love the way you modified the fenders and wheel wells.  Looks very clean.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on May 08, 2010, 08:56:55 PM
Giving an update on my project. I just scored a Chevy small block V8 and am going to put it in this week. I know that it would be better with an AMC V8, but I could not pass on the price.

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/Engine2.jpg)

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/Engine1.jpg)
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Mechanic on May 08, 2010, 09:11:50 PM
Very nice. 350? 327? 305? or is that a 383 stroker??

Once this enigne is in, is she all done?? or do you still have some stuff left to do??
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on May 08, 2010, 09:56:54 PM
Quote from: Mechanic on May 08, 2010, 09:11:50 PM
Very nice. 350? 327? 305? or is that a 383 stroker??

Once this enigne is in, is she all done?? or do you still have some stuff left to do??

It is a 305. Nothing wrong with the old 5.0L V8. It is just a complete stock rebuild and not a performance package. I wanted a good reliable engine that would give me a little more power over the stock 6 cylinder now that I am running 33" tires. I also installed a two speed transfer case so that I can have low range.

Once the engine is in, I will have to fabricate wheel wells for the rear, run the brake lines and fuel line, and install the seats. I will also have to have a dive line custom made. Then, I will run the exhaust and it will be all done.   
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Gil-SX4 on May 09, 2010, 04:01:30 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: monsterbronc on June 06, 2010, 04:43:03 PM
Totally sweet, Im trying to figure out if I can install the solid axles without going to extremes,  right now mine sits right about where most cherokee's do, so I think its possible to do without the radical lift.

although, I would do it in a heartbeat if not for the fact its my Daily Driver, and the Munchkins are already having trouble climbing in and out.  ::)


Taint nothing wrong with the Ole 305. had one in the 79 Camaro we once had, while I admit it wasn't worth bragging about, it did have ENOUGH power to lug that heavy beast around even at highway speeds, and was about as maintenance free as they come, we drove that thing at least 100K, and all I ever did was change the oil, put a set of belts on it, and rebuilt the carb. the turbo350 tranny was a whole other story, but the engine ran and ran and ran till it finally burned sooo much oil, it looked like something out of a James Bond movie when pulling hills. but it still ran  ;D
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: doneagle on April 08, 2011, 11:00:55 PM


              HI this is what I have ben looking for ...For all the cars with rusted out frames so its coming back out
                   front ..so I don't have to look for it all the time ....There is so much information this thread.I wish that
                   Animal was still around to answer some questions we would have. So here it is..................Don
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Sunny on April 09, 2011, 12:09:37 AM
That thing looks wicked.
Nice job ;D

If I ever get an eagle, it's probably going to have a SBC in it, even if it's against the grain :P
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on April 10, 2011, 10:54:45 PM
Quote from: teneagle on April 08, 2011, 11:00:55 PM


              HI this is what I have ben looking for ...For all the cars with rusted out frames so its coming back out
                   front ..so I don't have to look for it all the time ....There is so much information this thread.I wish that
                   Animal was still around to answer some questions we would have. So here it is..................Don

I still around. I check in from time to time to see what people are up to. I also have been making progress on my project. I would probably been done by now but I moved again. This time I moved from Texas to Tulsa Oklahoma.

My Eagle is very close to being road worthy. I overworked my little welder and purchased a brand new Hobart Ironman 230 wire feed welder this weekend. It should make quick work of the little bit of fabricating that is left. The V8 is in place now and I will post current pictures soon.

Thanks for looking,
Brandon
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: doneagle on April 11, 2011, 07:52:13 AM

          HI           I'm  glad  to hear you are still around there are some pepole that have things they want to know
                        like who made the frame rails and outhers.......Don
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: standup650 on February 12, 2012, 08:08:19 PM
wow so so nice! the pic of your old setup looks like it was pretty big. what was your old setup?
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: eaglefreek on February 12, 2012, 08:48:33 PM
Unfortunately, it looks like the last time he was on here was 10 months ago.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: standup650 on February 12, 2012, 09:04:15 PM
Ya. I'm hoping he will be back! Big deep breath in... and HOLD..........
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: shanebo on February 13, 2012, 01:03:55 AM
When I first saw this thread the first thing that came to mind was...PURE AWESOME  :eyepopping: !!
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: eaglebeek on February 13, 2012, 04:13:19 PM
This guy is obviously a skilled craftsman who was intent on doing it right. I, too, would like to see the finished project. If it comes out as expected his plan has the potential to save the rusty ones that usually wind up in the jaws of the crusher. :eagle:
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: rollguy on February 13, 2012, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: eaglebeek on February 13, 2012, 04:13:19 PM
This guy is obviously a skilled craftsman who was intent on doing it right. I, too, would like to see the finished project. If it comes out as expected his plan has the potential to save the rusty ones that usually wind up in the jaws of the crusher. :eagle:

I have made several sub frames for my Eagles.  This is a great way to save a car that has frame rot.  The front sub frame for a wagon:
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k13/rollguy/ALTREGL015.jpg)

Mounted in the car:
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k13/rollguy/ALTREGL016.jpg)

A full frame (doubles as an air tank for on-board air) for my SX4:
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k13/rollguy/ALTREGL007.jpg)

It was easier to turn the car over and make the frame for the SX4, than to weld upside-down.
The front sub frame for the wagon was made on a fixture I made from a scrap Eagle.  This frame fixture is free to anyone that wants to make sub frames for Eagles (it needs to be picked up in So. Cal.).
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Prafeston on February 13, 2012, 07:19:07 PM
What did you use to flip over the Eagle without injury to the bird? Do you have it resting on tires?
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: rollguy on February 13, 2012, 09:43:49 PM
Quote from: Prafeston on February 13, 2012, 07:19:07 PM
What did you use to flip over the Eagle without injury to the bird? Do you have it resting on tires?
You won't believe me if I told you, but I'm telling you anyway.    I removed everything that I could (within reason).  I already had the drivetrain out for rebuilding of the engine and change from 5 spd to auto.   All the suspension was removed (didn't use any of it anyway).  An empty shell was left, and about three other guys and I rolled it over on tires and wood blocks.   The only casualty was a small crease in the roof just in front of the sun roof, and a cracked windshield.  I had another windshield from a parts car, and the crease is still there (barely noticeable  among the other dents now).  Once the frame was made, we turned it back over and propped it up on stands.  The frame was slid underneath after painting, and bolted up.  The rest of the job was done just like any other build.....Rich
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Prafeston on February 13, 2012, 09:58:38 PM
Wow...that's impressive! Bummer about the crease in the roof though.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on March 13, 2012, 12:06:43 AM
Quote from: standup650 on February 12, 2012, 09:04:15 PM
Ya. I'm hoping he will be back! Big deep breath in... and HOLD..........

I am here. I have moved again. This time I moved from Texas to just outside Tulsa Oklahoma. Sadly, I could not drive my eagle to the new place and had to put it on a car hauler. However, I am settled in now and set-up shop. I also bought a new Hobart Ironman 230 welder. Car is almost complete and I just installed a slip yoke eliminator in the transfer case and had both front and rear drive lines built. The only thing left to do is run the brake and fuel lines and take it to the muffler shop to get some exhaust. I have already researched getting it licensed in Oklahoma and it will be no problem. And, I still carry insurance on it from before I started the project.

I really like the AMC Eagles and can't wait to get my ride back on the road. I would have had it done by now but I moved from Arizona to Texas to Oklahoma in the last 2 years. No more waiting. It is spring time now, and I fully expect to have the first test run under way soon. I will post some updated pictures.

Thanks for everyone's support,
Brandon   
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: shaggimo on March 13, 2012, 08:34:53 AM
 :occasion14: Good to hear!
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: standup650 on March 20, 2012, 09:41:11 AM
Quote from: casper on March 20, 2012, 03:59:24 AM
dude, you p'ed my wife off... you put a dream in my head, and now she aint happy. after seeing how you did your frame, after i get my house bought, i want to make ONE of my sx4's into a prerunner style rig. 4 link front and rear, coil overs, 360 ect. not happening probably, but that would be so BAD AZZ to see one done like that. dana 44's front and rear, electric lockers in both, 33's, and SMOOTH over the bumps in the desert here. low range would be a MUST. ok, its 2 am, i just found this. im dreaming. i guess the beer is telling me to go to bed now... LMAO!!!! WOW  i wish i had the $$$$ to build this.
If you are thinking 2wd prerunner check this thread out.
http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=37600.0
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: rohnk on March 20, 2012, 02:01:21 PM
Some updated pics of this project would be awesome! Of course a video on You Tube of it in action will be awesome too. Very nice project and good save for an Eagle.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: DaemonForce on March 20, 2012, 03:49:15 PM
Quote from: rollguy on February 13, 2012, 09:43:49 PM
Quote from: Prafeston on February 13, 2012, 07:19:07 PM
What did you use to flip over the Eagle without injury to the bird? Do you have it resting on tires?
You won't believe me if I told you, but I'm telling you anyway.    I removed everything that I could (within reason).  I already had the drivetrain out for rebuilding of the engine and change from 5 spd to auto.
That's the part I can't believe. I'm going out to Tacoma this weekend to look over a 5SPD Eagle. I need a car that works. I'll be looking up subframes later on when I have time and money to restore these cars.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: eaglebeek on March 20, 2012, 05:56:52 PM
Quote from: rollguy on February 13, 2012, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: eaglebeek on February 13, 2012, 04:13:19 PM
This guy is obviously a skilled craftsman who was intent on doing it right. I, too, would like to see the finished project. If it comes out as expected his plan has the potential to save the rusty ones that usually wind up in the jaws of the crusher. :eagle:

I have made several sub frames for my Eagles.  This is a great way to save a car that has frame rot.  

Sorry, I should have known you have built subframes after seeing pix of ALTREGL. Yours, too, has the potential for saving otherwise crusher-bound Eagle shells.

There is some awesome craftsmanship on display in this forum. Your's and Animal's are right up there at the top. :eagle:
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Prafeston on March 20, 2012, 06:19:17 PM
Threepete needs this!! :)
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: rohnk on March 20, 2012, 10:06:42 PM
Well, get to work on it Rafe! You don't have to do it all at once and make it real pretty, just safe and stable to use off road. Then you would have a real toy!
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: GRONK on March 21, 2012, 05:36:04 AM
I have a full Jeepster Commando boxed frame w/ tranny, Xfer case, axles, etc just waiting for a wagon body.  Set and ready for a 304.  I don't think a solid frame swap could get any easier than this.  The wheel base and width is  perfect.  I believe the Jeepster wheel base is 1.5" longer than the wagon's so with a very mild spring lift it will be bang on.

Shanebo, this is what I currently have planned for the blue wagon I picked up from you.  Unless someone wants the frame, I'll use it when the time comes.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Prafeston on March 21, 2012, 08:56:34 AM
Quote from: rohnk on March 20, 2012, 10:06:42 PM
Well, get to work on it Rafe! You don't have to do it all at once and make it real pretty, just safe and stable to use off road. Then you would have a real toy!

I don't have the time, expertise, tools, or money for a project like that! :(
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on March 28, 2013, 09:37:34 PM

I don't have the time, expertise, tools, or money for a project like that! :(
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It has been a long time but I finally got my Eagle on the road. I actually got it licensed and registered this last Friday. I am very happy and can't wait to take it on a road trip. I got to test it off road a little and it climbs really well and handles the big bumps at high speed. However, it is still a little sloppy on the highway. I need to spend some time dialing in the four-link to square the axles under the car. It's not terrible though and just needs some small tweaking. I will keep dialing it in and post some off road pictures when I get a chance. Thanks to everyone for the support and inspiration.

Brandon


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Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: eaglefreek on March 28, 2013, 10:10:27 PM
Glad to see you're still around and got it on the road. Can't wait to see some pics of it in action.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: rollguy on March 28, 2013, 11:59:13 PM
Now that's cool!  I like the dash and engine compartment- ALL that is needed and nothing else.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: doneagle on January 15, 2014, 05:45:20 AM

       HI  Brandon  I am glad to see you have it on the road .. looking forward to pict off road .....don
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on September 05, 2014, 12:49:31 PM
This thing is very fun to drive. I have been driving more than I have been taking pictures, so I only have a few pics to share. I will post some more when I get them.

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/DSC_0351-1.jpg) (http://s735.photobucket.com/user/lamina9/media/DSC_0351-1.jpg.html)

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/P1080376.jpg) (http://s735.photobucket.com/user/lamina9/media/P1080376.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: eaglefreek on September 05, 2014, 04:54:41 PM
Nice!!!!!
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Mernsy on September 05, 2014, 08:37:04 PM
Yep. Nice!!
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Nightpath on September 09, 2014, 02:10:01 PM
So the frame from an Eagle can be removed? How do you manage that? (I'm still relatively new to the scene, and as I understand it unibody frames are integrated into the car).

You just cut the frame pieces out ?
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on September 09, 2014, 02:29:55 PM
Quote from: Nightpath on September 09, 2014, 02:10:01 PM
So the frame from an Eagle can be removed? How do you manage that? (I'm still relatively new to the scene, and as I understand it unibody frames are integrated into the car).

You just cut the frame pieces out ?

I cut the original unibody frame out and built a full frame that follows the contour of the body just the same as the old frame. I fully welded this frame to the body and it is not removable. This is the only way to get the ground clearance and suspension travel and keep the overall height down for a low center of gravity.
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: rollguy on September 09, 2014, 09:12:50 PM
Quote from: Nightpath on September 09, 2014, 02:10:01 PM
So the frame from an Eagle can be removed? How do you manage that? (I'm still relatively new to the scene, and as I understand it unibody frames are integrated into the car).

You just cut the frame pieces out ?
Animal & I did similar frames, but not exactly.
On my SX4 (avatar photo), I made a separate frame that bolted to the unibody. I recently removed the body and scrapped it, but saved the frame for another project.  I also have a fixture for making a front sub-frame for an Eagle.  The sub-frame bolts on the unibody as well, and gets the front suspension welded to it.  It is free for the taking in So. Cal if anyone wants to come and get it.....Rich
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: eaglefreek on September 09, 2014, 09:58:02 PM
Brandon, I might have you mixed up with someone else, but didn't you try with the IFS first with a V6 and made mounts for the front axle that attached to the crossmember? If so, do you have pics of that still?
Title: Re: Full frame and straight axle
Post by: Animal on September 15, 2014, 12:36:04 PM
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Quote from: eaglefreek on September 09, 2014, 09:58:02 PM
Brandon, I might have you mixed up with someone else, but didn't you try with the IFS first with a V6 and made mounts for the front axle that attached to the crossmember? If so, do you have pics of that still?

You were right. I was the one who made the mounts for the front axle.  I posted one of the only pictures I have of the mounts I made. I will say that it worked very well and the only reason I got rid of it is to go with the straight front axle. Sorry I did not have any more detailed pictures or drawings.

Thanks,
Brandon

(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/lamina9/AxleMount.jpg) (http://s735.photobucket.com/user/lamina9/media/AxleMount.jpg.html)