Took Eleanor out for the first time in the snow today, was surprised when I first pulled out of the driveway though, has a bit of a incline, must have hit ice because my back wheels or wheel not to sure if it was both started to spin. Had her in 4 wheel drive, must be the tires, last owner put normal all weather sedan tires on her not to long ago, back up then forward before I tried to pull out to make sure the 4 wheel drive was engaged, happened to me a second time later and she actually died on me.