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Re: Side & Rear Window Louvers
« Reply #120 on: March 07, 2012, 04:44:37 PM »
I personally dislike the plastic ones. I think they look like tacky lick-em-stick-em hood scoops. I also hate the thickness of the plastic blades (they have a lip for rigidity) because it creates thick stripes in your field of view. The metal ones are lined up perfectly with your vision, so it looks exactly like a set of window defrosting strips.

Thanks rohnk, although I already have a pair of side louvers as well. I'll be making a set of SW louvers, Sedan Louvers, SX4 side louvers, and Kammback side and rear louvers eventually. All of them will be the same metal and similar mounting designs. After mocking up what I have so far I've found that its easy and enjoyable to modify the design. I've figured out the cutting table I'm going to use to precisely rip down the metal and I've priced the metal, so it will not take much further effort to design more sets. If I'm going to store the table for future use, I may as well put it to good use. One day I'll have the designs on Autocad and the plasma table ready to print them out.

I brought my measurements back to work with me. In a few days I'll post them in a "how to" thread for anyone who wants to make their own.
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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Re: Side & Rear Window Louvers
« Reply #121 on: March 07, 2012, 05:07:10 PM »
Very interested in seeing some SW louvers...I know GRONK was gonna be working with someone out in CO to make some SW louvers...just waiting to see what they look like!

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Re: Side & Rear Window Louvers
« Reply #122 on: March 12, 2012, 02:23:20 PM »
I've started to make the How-to. I realize that it is very long and complex but its intended for someone about to sit down and make their own set. I'll be rereading and editing it further over the next few days to make it easier to follow. I'll eventually make better diagrams and keep editing the posts with better information and better pictures. Some of my comments will make much better sense when I can put pictures of my completed work in the thread.

Most of your comments and questions should still be posted here on this thread. The how-to thread is intended for specific construction details.

http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=38314.new#new
« Last Edit: March 13, 2012, 03:54:33 AM by captspillane »
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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Re: Side & Rear Window Louvers
« Reply #123 on: March 13, 2012, 04:15:55 AM »
Very interested in seeing some SW louvers

Looking at the measurements in my other thread there is an obvious pattern from one blade to the next. Each one is exactly an inch shorter than the one below it. The station wagon louvers will not be difficult to make. Likewise an Eagle sedan would look great with louvers and be just as easy to make.

The "A" to "C" crease will stay the same initially and the angle of the brake will stay the same. I'll tilt my pattern until it is parallel to the line of sight and then measure for a new location for points "E" and "F." I may have to make small adjustments to the "A" to C" crease to compensate for the slope of the window edge, but it will be minor. Once I have one blade finished that end pattern will be identical to all the blades. Even the modifications to the unique top blade starts out with the same pattern as the others. Each blade will be a given length shorter than the one next to it, so the rest of the dimensions will be plotted out on paper as soon as I finish one or two of the protoype blades.

I'm personally going to concentrate on one task at a time, but some of you station wagon guys could probably have your own set of louvers made before I finish my SX4 ones. I'll have both an SX4 set and a Station Wagon set made this summer.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2012, 04:41:38 AM by captspillane »
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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Re: Side & Rear Window Louvers
« Reply #124 on: May 02, 2012, 12:19:03 AM »
how much for a set i like them and i think they will look nice when finished

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Re: Side & Rear Window Louvers
« Reply #125 on: May 02, 2012, 03:28:45 AM »
I'm assembling my red SX4 this month. The last step will be finishing the louvers I prototyped last month. I have 5 sets to make for myself and I'll make 20 sets total once the tooling is set up. Once they are complete I'll report how much time and money they cost to make. The material cost looks about $120, but there is alot of time required and the shipping will be expensive. I'm trying to keep the total cost below $300.
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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Re: Side & Rear Window Louvers
« Reply #126 on: May 07, 2012, 09:51:27 AM »
I had to prototype the 8th blade to realize I don't like it. I won't be making any that way. I added a very small amount of width to each blade and it reduced the space effectively.

I will be making ready to install kits with everything necessary start to finish. I will box them before advertising them as ready to sell, so shipping cost will be included. I will also consider making OEM replicas for the purists who want a direct replacement for their original units. Those I will not be making hinges for.

I'm limiting myself to 20 sets because that will be over 3 grand in initial material cost and a huge space committment for storage. 5 of those are for my own cars. I would probably make 5 at a time after that as necessary. I also realize that it will take no less than 2 hours per set to build them. That first set of 20 will likely consume about 100 hours to finish. That is the most I can afford to put forth this summer.

They would have already been made if I was home. I've been working at sea even on days I could have been home recently. My SX4 is nearly finished but not quite yet. The last step will be the louver construction.
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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Re: Side & Rear Window Louvers
« Reply #127 on: August 13, 2012, 11:29:01 AM »
I started setting up my Louver jigs and templates last week and I'll be working to complete my first set of louvers for my own car this month. I looked at the available metal brakes last tour home and I didn't like any of them. I had my heart set on making my own metal brake for the louvers until I saw this advertisement today from Eastwood. Eastwood is located in Pottstown, PA, about 15 minutes from me. I'll be buying this once I get home from work. Its perfect for what I want to do.

http://www.eastwood.com/eastwood-versa-bend-sheet-metal-brake.html
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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Re: Side & Rear Window Louvers
« Reply #128 on: August 20, 2012, 11:16:20 PM »
VERY nice!
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Re: Side & Rear Window Louvers
« Reply #129 on: August 24, 2012, 09:26:55 PM »
oh boy. first sx4 and then wagons!! im still waiting for a set for my wagon

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Re: Side & Rear Window Louvers
« Reply #130 on: November 30, 2012, 04:55:56 AM »
Here are a few notes to update everyone on my progress making these louvers.

-I purchased my louvers without any hinges when I was about 14 years old (2001?). I eventually attached them to my SX4 by making a complex piece of metal that precisely fit the bottom corner of the window. It clacked going down the road and the metal was tight, but a strong yank on the louvers would have ripped them right off without much struggle. I didn’t leave the louvers on very long because I was worried about damaging them before I would have a chance to copy them. Now almost a decade later I’m finally finishing what I started.

I finally got to see an original set of hinges about a year ago. A nest member named Troy has several intact and preserved on his collection of Eagles. I wasn’t impressed and they actually looked much weaker than the ones I made from scratch.

A week ago a different Nest member named Mike let me borrow a spare set of hinges he had. I’m very grateful. While removing them I got to see just how strong they are. What I didn’t know was that the hinges actually have a lip on them that not only slides under the rubber, it also bends down around the edge of the glass. They are actually quite difficult to remove even with multiple hands and tools. I’m still not impressed with how stiff they are at the bolt point, but the piece that grabs the window is more than adequate. I’ve changed my design to improve and supplement the original hinge design, but to be pretty much the same. I was resolved to do something much different.

-The small bit of width I added to the blades didn't work for SX4s with a factory windshield wiper. I will have to add slightly more or minus some, which I will need to make two more sets of prototypes before deciding which looks best and works best. I simply removed the wiper blade and the post that sticks through the window usually doesn't interfere with the original set and my first prototype, but it did for my second prototype. I'll make sure my final version works for all SX4s.

-The side hinge design I made didn't make sense in application. What it came down to is that the window is much more curved than I initially realized. The first time I mounted my louvers years ago they flexed and clacked against the window as you drove. When properly snug against the window, however, the whole assembly is very stiff because of the curvature across the window. My new design will be just as stiff as my first design with considerably less complication. I now know why my louvers used to flex so much and it won't be a problem anymore.

Because I wanted to solve the clacking problem that is now a mute issue, I previously wanted to attach the blades as an assembly to a hinged stiff structure that opened like a book to clean the window. I'm glad I experimented with that design because I plan on making a heavy steel version for my hardtop convertible offroading SX4 that will be strong enough for me to stand on even without the glass present. Obviously that is too much metal to use for these louvers.

-I spent some time looking at the top hinges now that I have an original one to borrow. It turns out that they were made very flimsy on purpose. The curvature of the window and the top of the roof is too much to make a set of hinges without them being hinge-bound to each other. The axis of the hinges need to be parallel in order to work. They ended up bending thin aluminum and putting on a notched piece of plastic as a hinge. The hinges were flexible enough to work without being exactly square to each other. The problem is that the notched plastic is often split and broken with age. I’ve seen small metal cabinet hinges used successfully to replace the weak notched plastic that was originally there. In my case I purchased about $300 worth of aluminum piano hinges for $120 that will work perfectly to look original without the weakness.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2012, 05:02:27 AM by captspillane »
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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Re: Side & Rear Window Louvers
« Reply #131 on: December 01, 2012, 10:55:11 PM »
Thanks for the update !

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Re: Side & Rear Window Louvers
« Reply #132 on: January 15, 2013, 04:57:55 PM »
come on wagon louvers!! lol

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Re: Side & Rear Window Louvers
« Reply #133 on: January 15, 2013, 06:47:14 PM »
Yeah, I second that sentiment, I would love some wagon louvers.

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Re: Side & Rear Window Louvers
« Reply #134 on: February 04, 2013, 04:11:12 AM »
I am serious about this project. I have worked on it since I last updated here, but it will sit stagnant for another month because I changed my rental status last week. My garage has been a quarter of a larger building shared with one other guy. We worked it out where I now have a full half of the building. I added enough floor space for six more cars to be parked inside. It will take me a month to fully move into the new space.

I have some ideas on how to utilize the increased space to generate revenue. Ideally I would like the garage to help generate as much income as it costs each month. Full production of louvers is one way to assist that goal.

I know that the first twenty I sell will take less total time to fabricate than the first one I'm making for myself. I need to work out a means of producing them efficiently before being able to sell them at any reasonable cost.


I'll keep the prices as low as possible and as flexible as possible. I'm looking at creating at least four price points. I can only guess at prices until I've calculated the total time and material investment per set. I won't know that until I've completed the first five sets for myself.

1) Template cost: This would basically mean that a box would be shipped to you with a series of precisely prepared templates made from plastic or similar light-weight rigid material. The templates would be light and cheap to ship. You would then take those templates and use them to cut out the metal of your choice and local availability. Prepared hardware could also be added to the box. I would expect this option to cost about $60 for the kit with shipping and then require another $120 in supplies and about 40 hours of your time to complete your louvers.

2) Kit Cost: I think this would be the most numberous kits I would prepare. Basically I would ship a kit to you with all the hardware and all the metal already cut and prepared, ready to assemble. The blades would be stacked into the smallest rectangular box available. I guess for shipping to cost between $40 and $60. I would expect the total kit cost delivered to your door to be between $300 and $500. I would expect the assembly to take about 10 hours without any additional cost.

3) Ready to Install Cost: I would expect if someone drove their Eagle to my garage I could install a set of louvers for a cost between $300 and $500.

4) Premium Cost: I will be working on options above and beyond the basic cost. For instance I would like to Tig weld the joints to remove visible rivets and I would also like to polish and clear-coat a set of "chrome" louvers.
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

 

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