Priya's SX/4 project

[Monkeyjoe]

I misunderstood you earlier, I figured it was a welding shop that was refusing to weld for you.

I know, down here some shops  will not cut out a Catalytic Converter, even if the state does not do emissions testing. 

yes, now I remember why I moved out of Canada.  That whole "Nanny State" thing.  It gets to the point you cant look left or right without breaking some kind of law.  That's no way to live. 

[priya]

Ward got his  Saskatchewan safety inspection manual.  Section 1 powertrain, subsection 7 says:

Front/rear spindles/axles
Visually and audibly inspect:
a) condition
b) seals
c) wheel bearings

Reject if:
a) - bent, welded
b) - missing, leaking, installed incorrectly
C) - play exceeds manufacturer's specifications, excessive noise

Ward says this manual is the 2006 version and prior to the previous revision (2002 or 2004ish) it would have been okay to weld on the axle but thats no longer allowed.

[Monkeyjoe]

Definition of Axle I believe they are talking about he actual axle shaft, not the tube.

the condition of the spindle is no easier to inspect than the condition of the Axle shaft.  You may have the loop hole here.  It did not say the axle tube.  I can see not accepting a welded axle, if the weld fails, the wheel, wheel hub and remainder of the axle could fly off the vehicle.   The shaft is treated for hardness, not the tube.

[priya]

Ward says he's been back and forth with SGI on this a number of times to clarify and axle includes axle housing.

[carnuck]

Definition of Axle I believe they are talking about he actual axle shaft, not the tube.

the condition of the spindle is no easier to inspect than the condition of the Axle shaft.  You may have the loop hole here.  It did not say the axle tube.  I can see not accepting a welded axle, if the weld fails, the wheel, wheel hub and remainder of the axle could fly off the vehicle.   The shaft is treated for hardness, not the tube.

Exactly. The housing is not the axle itself. Check with 4 wheel drive shops in your area. Extra shocks, axle swaps, etc are done all the time. The 2 piece M15 axle shafts are far more unsafe than a shock mount welded to a housing.

[carnuck]

Ward says he's been back and forth with SGI on this a number of times to clarify and axle includes axle housing.

Then he was dealing with some bumblecrat who is NOT an engineer. They weld extra brackets on axles for the government's own vehicles for mounting plows, overload springs, etc. Welding on a fwd rear axle housing is understandably bad because it is considered part of the suspension. Ask him to check the specifications on live axles. Semi-trailer axles are welded on all the time as well. It just has to be done by a Transport Canada certified welder.

Welding on a shock mount won't warp an axle unless you use excessive amounts in a short period of time.

Does he feel the same way about the mounts on the car for shocks? Because the other option is make the car accept the XJ shocks by putting new mounts on it.

There's yet another option: Bolt on shock mounts

[priya]

I'm not going to argue with him by proxy.  He pays the bills, he makes the rules.

[Monkeyjoe]

If I can remember,

I think the old jeeps (1970-1983)ish  used a u-bolt "plate" that had a shock mount as part of the plate.  So the u-bolt wraps around the axle and into the plate that either sits under or over the springs depending on the configuration.  so the shock mount is bolted to the spring pack.

[carnuck]

If I can remember,

I think the old jeeps (1970-1983)ish  used a u-bolt "plate" that had a shock mount as part of the plate.  So the u-bolt wraps around the axle and into the plate that either sits under or over the springs depending on the configuration.  so the shock mount is bolted to the spring pack.

If he doesn't want to save money and possibly your life in the long run, I guess that's up to you guys.

I would NOT tow heavy loads with the M15 rear axle. There was even a recall of some that never got done due to the passenger's side axle nut being over tightened at the factory (twice what the spec was) and the hubs suddenly snapping off. I had it happen on my previous '83 wagon when a truck hit me in a parking lot. I went to leave the lot and my tire came off hub and all before I got 100 feet!

As for the shock plate, that's what I was talking about when I said bolt in mount. Comanches have them and that's what I planned to use on my 8.25 axle before I found out the pattern was wider.

[priya]

We don't do any towing with the eagle, and safety is precisely why he won't consider putting in a Jeep rear end.  I appreciate the suggestion, but its just not on.  If you two want to argue it further please contact SGI directly and take it up with them.

[carnuck]

That happened to about 40% of those cars. It really didn't help AMCs fading image.

[priya]

Can you two please start your own thread if you want to talk about this.

[doneagle]

..........HI  priya hope you are surviving this cold cold  cold wither it is baaaaad here  I have a one ton cheve and the drift in front of it is above the hood and about 15 foot long we have had white outs for the last two days cant go any where ..And silver is behind the truck cant get either one out .and the snow blower is brock ..the drive shaft bolt striped ...Its all ways something ....and I don't have a heated shop .stay worm ..........don       

[priya]

We've had it easy Teneagle.  Its been a little above or a little below freezing the past couple of weeks which is much milder than normal.  Its supposed to get quite a bit colder tomorrow (back to normal January temperatures).  Sorry to hear you're snowed in and your snowblower is broke.  i used to live on an acreage with about a 1/8th mile driveway and it often blew in pretty bad.  I'd have to shovel up to about 100 feet of the driveway it'd take me 3 or 4 days  and often I'd be part way done and it'd blow in again.  On the south side of the driveway I'd have a snowbank over six foot tall late into the winter, it was a real bear.

[doneagle]

............HI   I know what you mean ..Its only 100 foot from my house to the road and its been drifted shut for two days now and its another 200 foot out to the barn and you cant even walk out there ...my wife is 5.1 and all you can see of her is her head .....the snow is that deep ...re stay worm....................don