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Suspension, Steering, Brakes, Wheels & Tires / Re: I can't find/purchase Front Springs
« Last post by Ludworks on December 14, 2024, 10:46:00 AM »
Trooper,

Great link. I've seen that table before, and it's a good starting point for replacements. But I don't think it's right.

Unless both of my coil springs were changed out at some point, which I highly doubt, the "Concord" dimensions aren't accurate. My wire diameter is .640" or 41/64" (with a coat of paint), not .687" or .656". Just measured both springs again in a dozen places. Also free height is actually slightly longer than 15". Hard to believe after nearly 40 years in use and 200,000 miles they didn't compress but instead elongated.

Probably perfectly fine to use those reference numbers to get replacements, but the MOOG catalogs I could dig up show those springs fitting everything except Eagles. Hornets, Gremlins, Concords, Matadors, Spirits...but not Eagles.
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Suspension, Steering, Brakes, Wheels & Tires / Re: I can't find/purchase Front Springs
« Last post by Trooper on December 14, 2024, 08:04:21 AM »
https://amceaglesden.com/guide/Shocks_%26_Springs
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Suspension, Steering, Brakes, Wheels & Tires / Re: I can't find/purchase Front Springs
« Last post by Ludworks on December 14, 2024, 04:06:16 AM »
I think it's a good idea. It's annoying to have to bring it in, but then they can make you an exact duplicate without guesswork.

Here's the measurements from one of mine. 1985 Wagon. Manual trans. 4.2. With A/C and CA emissions. I've rounded to fractional sizes when in doubt.
OD: 6 1/4"
ID: 5" General. Top narrows down to 3 1/2" for last coil, which is flat (coil is round, just wound in a flat plane)
Maximum solid height: Estimated 3 3/4" - 4". Not really applicable in this application.
Direction of helix: Righthand.
Type of ends: Top is closed. Bottom is open.
Free length: 15"
Wire diameter: Actual .64, probably spec'd at 5/8" - Edit: probably 41/64"
Number of active coils: 6, or possibly 7. Depends on what you consider "active".
Total number of coils: 7
Type of material: Spring steel. Alloy unknown.
Finish: Unknown. Paint or plain most likely.
Squareness (free): Top coil is square. Bottom coil is not.
End use or application: Automotive

Hope this helps. If in doubt have them make a longer spring and then chop the bottom end down to where you need it.
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Suspension, Steering, Brakes, Wheels & Tires / Re: I can't find/purchase Front Springs
« Last post by Evenprime on December 14, 2024, 03:14:30 AM »
Thanks everyone for the replies.

When I reached out to a local company, Vancouver Axle and Frame they said they need me to bring in a spring.

They mentioned they cannot find the information they require but they might be able to do it once they get one. Is this a decent idea? I was hoping to have them before I start doing any work.

Does anyone have the information/specs on the coils that a company who makes them would require?

Looking at their custom order form, the information they would be looking for is:

Outside diameter +/-
Inside diameter +/-
Maximum solid height
direction of helix
type of ends
Free Length +/-
Wire diameter?
Number of active coils
Total number of coils
type of material
finish
squareness (Free): within
End Use or Application
Other
Quantity Required

Also, thanks for the note on KennedyAmerica - I'll reach out and ask them.

I thought I reached out before but I am pretty sure Espo Springs told me a year back and they said they no longer supplied them. I' cant find that in my email though so maybe I'll ask again.

Eaton Springs mentioned this to me, when i asked about making both front coil springs and rear leafs. "Thank you for your inquiry. We can make the rear springs for you, but even with over 2,000 coil spring specs we do not have them for the ones on the front of your car."

Sigh -



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Suspension, Steering, Brakes, Wheels & Tires / Re: I can't find/purchase Front Springs
« Last post by vangremlin on December 13, 2024, 06:11:24 PM »
Also, Kennedy American is a well known and respected AMC vendor.  I have purchased from them several times.
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Suspension, Steering, Brakes, Wheels & Tires / Re: I can't find/purchase Front Springs
« Last post by Taylor on December 13, 2024, 06:07:36 PM »
Quote from: vangremlin on December 13, 2024, 12:59:23 PM
Contact Espo Springs & Things and Eaton Detroit Springs.  I think one of those will be able to help you out.  Good luck!

That’s where I got my front and rear springs. It was about 14 years ago. Hopefully they still carry them. They included rear bushings.
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Suspension, Steering, Brakes, Wheels & Tires / Re: I can't find/purchase Front Springs
« Last post by vangremlin on December 13, 2024, 12:59:23 PM »
Contact Espo Springs & Things and Eaton Detroit Springs.  I think one of those will be able to help you out.  Good luck!
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Suspension, Steering, Brakes, Wheels & Tires / Re: I can't find/purchase Front Springs
« Last post by 89 MJ on December 13, 2024, 10:31:35 AM »
I have read that springs for a 71 Javelin with a 401 work, but lift it about 2.5” from stock worn out springs. Espo Springs n Things also made Eagle springs, but I’m not sure if they still do. They were a direct reproduction.
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Suspension, Steering, Brakes, Wheels & Tires / Re: I can't find/purchase Front Springs
« Last post by Still Pat on December 13, 2024, 09:22:21 AM »
I seem to recall reading Javelin springs will fit. Something about using A/C or V-8 springs for a lift?? My memory likes o lie to me - A LOT, so I'd double check that first.
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Suspension, Steering, Brakes, Wheels & Tires / Re: I can't find/purchase Front Springs
« Last post by Ludworks on December 13, 2024, 09:06:08 AM »
I hate to say it, but you won't find them anywhere. As far as I've been able to determine, no one ever reproduced Eagle coil springs en masse. Your best option is to find someone parting out an Eagle, or keep looking for a company to reproduce them.

I'll dig into this and see if I can find a vendor. I'd like to have them available at the store in the future anyways.

Let me also add that the picture you attached says they're being dropshipped, i.e. marked up for no reason; and the picture is wrong. Eagle springs don't look like that. The coil spacing is different.
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