For those of you who have always wanted a diesel Eagle, I came across this ad on Craigslist for an outfit that specializes in swapping a 5 cylinder Mercedes diesel into Cherokees. I don't know why this wouldn't work in an Eagle (other than that whole front drive train mounting issue lol). Rollguy this has your name written all over it!
http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/4263916146.html
Wow, that's impressive!
MAN That is so cool I would love to have one of them ...I wonder how much $$$$$$.......don
Quote from: teneagle on January 15, 2014, 05:24:49 AM
MAN That is so cool I would love to have one of them ...I wonder how much $$$$$$.......don
Probably figure on adding about 5 more $$$$$ :rotfl:
I thing there was a Diesel upgrade for Jeep just a couple of years ago. If im not mistaken it was a Cummins 4Cyl.
You can buy the adapter to mate the Mercedes diesel to an AMC/Jeep transmission. You would have to figure out the mounts and what not. I've gone round and round with the idea of doing a diesel swap, but it just doesn't compute to me with the price of diesel being higher than gasoline. http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/category_s/1831.htm
Quote from: Monkeyjoe on January 15, 2014, 08:14:20 AM
I thing there was a Diesel upgrade for Jeep just a couple of years ago. If im not mistaken it was a Cummins 4Cyl.
Are you talking about the Grand Cherokee and Liberty Diesel? If so, those are VM Motori diesels out of Italy.
Quote from: eaglefreek on January 15, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
You can buy the adapter to mate the Mercedes diesel to an AMC/Jeep transmission. You would have to figure out the mounts and what not. I've gone round and round with the idea of doing a diesel swap, but it just doesn't compute to me with the price of diesel being higher than gasoline. http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/category_s/1831.htm
Quote from: Monkeyjoe on January 15, 2014, 08:14:20 AM
I thing there was a Diesel upgrade for Jeep just a couple of years ago. If im not mistaken it was a Cummins 4Cyl.
Are you talking about the Grand Cherokee and Liberty Diesel? If so, those are VM Motori diesels out of Italy.
The idea came from Europe but no it was a JK Wrangler
They extended the body to fit the motor. Good frickin' lord. I'll stick with my SD33T diesel conversion. It is the same size as an AMC 258 and the same basic specs. It would fit without all that fuss.
Anyone seen diesel motors converted to propane or natural gas? I'd really like to use the robust, high compression block with propane or gas. That would actually start without a cloud of smoke, ten minutes of glowplug time, and ten minutes of warm up time. Diesel is aggravating.
Quote from: captspillane on January 15, 2014, 12:07:31 PM
They extended the body to fit the motor. Good frickin' lord. I'll stick with my SD33T diesel conversion. It is the same size as an AMC 258 and the same basic specs. It would fit without all that fuss.
Anyone seen diesel motors converted to propane or natural gas? I'd really like to use the robust, high compression block with propane or gas. That would actually start without a cloud of smoke, ten minutes of glowplug time, and ten minutes of warm up time. Diesel is aggravating.
Nope, they didn't, It is the 4cyl Cummins, check out this link
http://www.bruiserconversions.com/jeep-wrangler-diesel-conversion/
The Nissan SD33T 3.3L turbodiesel is the stock motor in my 1980 Scout. I'm pulling it and putting in an AMC V8 for the Scout. I specifically bought a Turbodiesel Scout with a spare motor in order to put the engine in an Eagle.
AMC put the SD33T in several Jeep products between 1981 and 1985. It fits perfectly in place of a 4.2L, and it even looks very similar externally. It is what AMC would have likely chosen as a diesel for the Eagle if they offered it. The Turbodiesel Eagles are an outside company conversion, so those were different.
I actually started a project thread here on the Den if you want to see pictures and read more about the project.
http://forums.amceaglesden.com/index.php?topic=36383.0
I have wanted to get my hands on one of the Diesel Scouts. They are pretty rare.
There were about 5 thousand non turbo SD33 Scouts sold '76 to '79 and about 5 thousand turbo SD33T Scouts sold late '79 and '80. There was also about 5K CJ10a towpigs sold to the military, both turbo and nonturbo. Overseas many thousands of CJ10 trucks and Nissan Patrol vehicles were sold. It is a very common engine in Australia especially, so rebuild kits will always be available just at import prices. The SD33 is also a common forklift motor here in the states, so a couple companies specialize in their parts. The Turbo block is identical to the nonturbo except for a special set of oiling holes for the pistons.
I'm sticking with only Turbo blocks, but realistically you can put a Mercedes turbo on a regular one and be okay. My Scout actually has a Mercedes turbo already on it for the extra pound of boost. It's a direct fit. I'm also curious if those holes can be added since the block is an industrial motor. When you rebuild it the entire sleeve pulls out around the piston. How cool is that?
In comparison there are 5K Eagle Kammbacks made, about half as many as diesel Scouts made. There have been about a dozen Kammbacks for sale this past year, and I own two, so thats really not that rare. Heck I found a guy near me with six SD33 Scouts he's collected from a local junkyard, another daily driven SD33T short Scout near me, and another guy with two CJ10a Jeeps for sale close by. If you look, you will find.
Quote from: Monkeyjoe on January 15, 2014, 12:12:21 PM
Nope, they didn't, It is the 4cyl Cummins, check out this link
http://www.bruiserconversions.com/jeep-wrangler-diesel-conversion/
That's just an aftermarket company that does swaps. The OEM diesels are VM's and won't be available in Jk's,, if they will stilled be called that, in the states in 2016. I don't know how those companies get passed the federal emission laws with those swaps. The Cummins 3.9L isn't EPA rated to be used in a modern light vehicle.
Quote from: eaglefreek on January 15, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
You can buy the adapter to mate the Mercedes diesel to an AMC/Jeep transmission. You would have to figure out the mounts and what not. I've gone round and round with the idea of doing a diesel swap, but it just doesn't compute to me with the price of diesel being higher than gasoline. http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/category_s/1831.htm
Quote from: Monkeyjoe on January 15, 2014, 08:14:20 AM
I thing there was a Diesel upgrade for Jeep just a couple of years ago. If im not mistaken it was a Cummins 4Cyl.
Are you talking about the Grand Cherokee and Liberty Diesel? If so, those are VM Motori diesels out of Italy.
I already have plans to do something similar. I already have the adapter from mercedesdiesel4x4.com, and an AX15 trans. The plan is to use my SX4 frame, and put a 300D body on it. I have almost all the parts, but need to sell the engine and trans out of my SX4 (along with the newly painted SX4 body that I have), and then use what is left over for the 300D 4X4. Yes I know it is not an Eagle, but the old thrashed Eagle will live on (sort of). I would also love to do an MB Diesel conversion in someone's Eagle if I had the chance. My opinion is that the OM617 5 cyl. Diesel engine is the best (and cheapest) conversion engine available.....Rich
By the way, the engine in the first photo at: http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/4263916146.html is from a '98-'99 E300 and it is a 6 cyl Intercooled Turbodiesel (OM606). That is why they extended the front fenders. The OM617 (5 cyl) is shorter than an AMC 6 cyl, and will fit with room to spare in an Eagle.....Rich
Rich, since you have experience with these engines, what would your guesstimate be on MPG with a swap into a wagon? What MPG do the Mercees wagons yield?
Quote from: eaglefreek on January 16, 2014, 09:26:39 AM
Rich, since you have experience with these engines, what would your guesstimate be on MPG with a swap into a wagon? What MPG do the Mercees wagons yield?
The average mileage for these engines in the different chassis (wagon, sedan, coupe etc) is around 26 MPG. Some get upwards of 30 on a good day, others 22 on a bad day. Very rarely do they get LESS than 22 MPG. The bigger cars (300SD- 116 & 126 chassis) actually get better mileage than the smaller "boxy" cars (sedan and wagon), because they are more aerodynamic. When I was computing the MPG on my cars, I was getting an average of 24 MPG using Biofuel. Higher MPG can be had with pump Diesel than with Biofuel, but for me the cost for the fuel was/is so close to free, that it does not matter the MPG. Years ago the whole idea for getting the '80 Turbodiesel Eagle was to run it on Biofuel, and travel to car shows with the car. After finding out the rarity of that vehicle, I decided to "practice" the Biofuel concept on a much less valuable vehicle. That is what started the whole 'Benz thing for me. I have now owned more 'Benzs than Eagles (26-Benz, 20 Eagles)....Rich
I've seen several posts on Cherokees with a VW/Audi TDI (http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f11/tedi-born-swap-2-1-1-9-tdi-1182357/) in it.
I think there are several others out there as well. The 1.9 can make 150hp with stock European parts, but U.S. units were limited to 98hp due to emissions regulations. It'll go even further with aftermarket parts. I've wanted to put one in a Kammback or Gremlin for years.
I could swear someone was manufacturing an adapter to mate them to AMC pattern transmissions, but I can't find it right now.
http://www.cotybuilt.com/hardware.html
Quote from: captspillane on January 15, 2014, 12:07:31 PM
They extended the body to fit the motor. Good frickin' lord. I'll stick with my SD33T diesel conversion. It is the same size as an AMC 258 and the same basic specs. It would fit without all that fuss.
Anyone seen diesel motors converted to propane or natural gas? I'd really like to use the robust, high compression block with propane or gas. That would actually start without a cloud of smoke, ten minutes of glowplug time, and ten minutes of warm up time. Diesel is aggravating.
I converted Olds diesel V8s and V6s to natural gas and LPG but it's not for the feint of heart or wallet! You need to machine spark plug holes so they don't blow out! Head gaskets are custom and you can't go over 14:1 with LPG or 17:1 for Nat Gas (unless mixed with diesel). Running CNG injected with diesel acts like NOs for non-turbo motors.
Quote from: BenM on January 16, 2014, 01:05:04 PM
I've seen several posts on Cherokees with a VW/Audi TDI (http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f11/tedi-born-swap-2-1-1-9-tdi-1182357/) in it.
I think there are several others out there as well. The 1.9 can make 150hp with stock European parts, but U.S. units were limited to 98hp due to emissions regulations. It'll go even further with aftermarket parts. I've wanted to put one in a Kammback or Gremlin for years.
I could swear someone was manufacturing an adapter to mate them to AMC pattern transmissions, but I can't find it right now.
The VW motor could probably also be put in with a Postal Jeep trans off the Audi 2.0L powered Jeep DJ5-Gs if it has the dual pattern on the block or the raised pads where the bolt holes could be drilled (if 2 original holes line up, the rest are easy) The trans would need a few mods for diesel. I can't recall which starter they used but it may need upgrading. The torque converter stall speed needs to be lowered.
The 5 cyl Audi diesel might even be better but you REALLY need to keep the motor cool!
Another option is a Toyota 2LT motor which came with a version of the AW4 or AX-15 behind it. A company in Florida sells the cutouts (complete drivetrain with mounts) on Ebay. 2LTE has a computer 3L and 5L don't (interchangeable) There are Isuzu motors as well (as used in Chevy Luvs) Just be careful about the motor weight. 4BT is WAAAAY too heavy for the front of the Eagle. With 3 inch lift coils, it would still be nearly dragging on the road.
Quote from: eaglefreek on January 16, 2014, 01:16:22 PM
http://www.cotybuilt.com/hardware.html
Wow, I didn't know it had gotten that far. Now I just need to save up some money for a new car!
Quote from: carnuck on January 16, 2014, 01:37:57 PM
Quote from: captspillane on January 15, 2014, 12:07:31 PM
They extended the body to fit the motor. Good frickin' lord. I'll stick with my SD33T diesel conversion. It is the same size as an AMC 258 and the same basic specs. It would fit without all that fuss.
Anyone seen diesel motors converted to propane or natural gas? I'd really like to use the robust, high compression block with propane or gas. That would actually start without a cloud of smoke, ten minutes of glowplug time, and ten minutes of warm up time. Diesel is aggravating.
I converted Olds diesel V8s and V6s to natural gas and LPG but it's not for the feint of heart or wallet! You need to machine spark plug holes so they don't blow out! Head gaskets are custom and you can't go over 14:1 with LPG or 17:1 for Nat Gas (unless mixed with diesel). Running CNG injected with diesel acts like NOs for non-turbo motors.
That's pretty frickin' cool, Carnuck.
Whats the likely hood of this working in the eagle?! http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-71-Detroit-Diesel-Engine-/171534103376
It weighs as much as 2 SX4s, so I'd say no. Had one in my '67 GMC ex-city bus I turned into a motor home. 12 mpg was the best it got, but I paid $1500 for it, lived in it for three years. When I got bored, I'd turn the key and go. I was a single dad at the time with an ex wife that thought she was worth a kings ransom.
Here's a 4-71 in a full size Chevy truck. Now imagine it with 2 more cylinders.
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/aramp1/FirstFitment1.jpg) (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/aramp1/media/FirstFitment1.jpg.html)
Hahah if i could i would. Like imagine it: all black eagle, with the brush gaurd Stacks sticking out the hood all lifted up, 2inch spacers ..... <3 Talk about a bad butt ride!
Quote from: BenM on January 16, 2014, 01:05:04 PM
I've seen several posts on Cherokees with a VW/Audi TDI (http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f11/tedi-born-swap-2-1-1-9-tdi-1182357/) in it.
I think there are several others out there as well. The 1.9 can make 150hp with stock European parts, but U.S. units were limited to 98hp due to emissions regulations. It'll go even further with aftermarket parts. I've wanted to put one in a Kammback or Gremlin for years.
I could swear someone was manufacturing an adapter to mate them to AMC pattern transmissions, but I can't find it right now.
You may remember the early 80's Jeep Cherokee diesels. They used the Renault turbo diesel, not that many sold in the U.S. Those used an AX-5 manual trans so there was a bellhousing to connect that diesel with the AX-5. I understand one problem was that the bellhousing was weak and cracked a little too often. I don't know if there was an aftermarket one available, but would like to find one. That same Renault diesel was used in small RV's like the LeSharo and were decent power for the RV, so in a Cherokee it should have been even better and of course in an Eagle.