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Offline Seagulls n Eagle

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Re: 1984 Eagle wagon
« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2015, 05:22:35 AM »
Great! Ill check the shaft length. The trans is currently in place (with out a clutch) but it does have the auto trans  tin plate in place. And fits without a problems but when I pull it I'll measure it.
I'm hoping to have the clutch and flywheel in this week.

The vibration mounts I ordered should also be in.  Im currently planing on using 2 of them rated at 230 pounds each.
They seem small so I'm not sure if Im going to need to fit an additional 2. Ill post pictures of what I'm planning.

Hoping to get some good hours in this week.
It's currently in a moderate state if disassembly.

Thanks for the help.
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Re: 1984 Eagle wagon
« Reply #46 on: March 02, 2015, 01:33:45 PM »
Since it's already in with the plate, just see if you can turn the trans while it's in 4th. If you can, then it's fine.
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Re: 1984 Eagle wagon
« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2015, 11:18:04 PM »
So I haven't clears off my phone but ill get some pictures up. I finished painting my front 3.55 diff ready for install. I dropped the diff that was in. When I dropped I mean oops dropped it.
My lux clutch and flywheel came in today. So did my "transmission mounts"
I made templates to locate the holes in the firewall for the clutch master cylinder. That looks to be a "fun" task.
I ordered a tach from vangremlin which is going to be a great addition. That should be in shortly.

So I'm in the up hill/reassembly process. Very excited! Hoping to be underpower by the end of the month.
We'll see. Cannot wait.
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Re: 1984 Eagle wagon
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2015, 06:31:44 AM »
Yesterday morning I managed to get drop the dry fitted np242 and ax15 but then spent the day in the emergency room with my dad. Not a great day. We got to leave but he's still not 100%. Hope he feels better today. My fingers are crossed.

 My phone is still full of pictures so no new pic.

I did measure my input shaft on my ax15. It's .750" dia and 1.290 from the end to the taper for the splines.
The whole in the crank of the 258 appears to be 1.000" diameter and .750" deep to a small shoulder.

Now, the pilot bearing I have is a sleeved roller bearing. It's  1.001" diameter but only .560 deep. The ID seem to be  .740 but its hard to measure with my calipers. Ill take a picture as soon as I can. There seems to be an o-ring on one side.

The clutch plate alignment tool diameter is .740" I'm going to remeasure my input shaft but supposedly it's correct for the 1995 xj that I ordered the kit for. 

Not sure if this is the right one. It came with the clutch kit.

Does this sound right? Except for its depth it seems like it might work.
If so would the o-ring side go in the crank hole first?
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Re: 1984 Eagle wagon
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2015, 08:03:36 PM »
Test fit the pilot bearing on the trans shaft. Sounds like it's too tight.
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Re: 1984 Eagle wagon
« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2015, 03:21:16 PM »
Ok, I'm back at it. It was a tough week. So, I measure the input shaft dia. It is .750" is a 1995 ax15 with the external slave. I ordered a lux clutch kit and flywheel. The clutch kit came with a thru out bearing, alignment tool and a pilot bearing. The pilot bearing fits the .750 shaft but has an outside diameter of 1.000"

I pulled my 4.0 (the one that the ax15 came with) and sure enough the hole for the pilot bearing is one inch.

Now I couldn't easialy measure the ID of the hole for the pilot shaft in the 4.2 because my calipers couldn't reach in but I used sockets to get close. The hole dia is alittle bigger than 1.035" and smaller than 1.075"
I didn't  measure the debth not sure it matters.

I was going to the parts store to do a guess and test but any guidance would be greatly appriciated.


In the meantime I'm working in a template to transfer the hole locations for the clutch master cylinder.
There is really so little room for the clutch master I'm not too worried about its location on the firewall (maybe I should be) but I want to be sure the relationship between the three holes is correct.

As much as I want the eagle to be done and working I also enjoy the time I spend alone on the garage floor making things work, taking apart and putting back together while listing to music.

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Re: 1984 Eagle wagon
« Reply #51 on: March 07, 2015, 03:31:33 PM »
Quick question, did I read some where that the 4.0 is "longer" than the 4.2?
If so would that put the transmission further back? How much?

If so it might help with my transmission crossmember modification.

As it stands I have two vibration isolation pads rated at 280 pounds each. They look alot smaller than the stock isolator so I'm thinking I need at least two more.

No I'm not going to be doing much 4x4'n but some

I'm kinda "seat of your pants" engineering the crossmember mod but really want the manual.
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Re: 1984 Eagle wagon
« Reply #52 on: March 07, 2015, 04:33:11 PM »
Quick question, did I read some where that the 4.0 is "longer" than the 4.2?


I believe they are the same length.  The 4.0 head fits on the 4.2 block.
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« Reply #53 on: March 07, 2015, 08:35:24 PM »
Want to send off a hats off, thumbs up, and eggs to vangrlin for his ford tachometer! Great product! I received mine and cannot wait to install it and make it operate.

Thanks!!!!
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Re: 1984 Eagle wagon
« Reply #54 on: March 07, 2015, 09:09:02 PM »
Want to send off a hats off, thumbs up, and eggs to vangrlin for his ford tachometer! Great product! I received mine and cannot wait to install it and make it operate.

Thanks!!!!

You're welcome, and thank you.  Enjoy it and your Eagle!
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Re: 1984 Eagle wagon
« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2015, 12:50:12 AM »
The harmonic balancer of the Vee belt 4.2L is what makes the crank only 10 mm longer than the 4.0L so the accessories sit back more when they went to serpentine belt.
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Re: 1984 Eagle wagon
« Reply #56 on: March 08, 2015, 03:08:25 PM »
Ok, I need some help. I'm looking for the right pilot bearing/bushing(?) for my
4.2 to match up with my ax15

The 4.2 was manufactured on 10/16/87 and appears to have a 1.050"-1.053" diameter pilot hole it's hard for me to measure







The ax15 has a .750" diameter input shaft and is from a 1995 xj sport. It has the external slave.

I spent (wasted) time at the parts store today and didn't come up with anything.

Any ideas?

I appricatie any help,
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Re: 1984 Eagle wagon
« Reply #57 on: March 08, 2015, 04:07:34 PM »
Doing a quick Google search, it sounds like the PB77HD bushing will work.
   Clutch Pilot Bushing
Bearing Bore (in)--0.751
Bearing OD (in)--1.056
Bearing Width (in)--0.88
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Re: 1984 Eagle wagon
« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2015, 06:32:33 PM »
Hi eaglefreek! That's the exact same part number I came up with and we talked about at the parts store. It was going to take them 10 days to get one. So I figure I would do some more digging.

The other thing is I remember reading that others have used a roller bearing pressed into an outer outer ring. The parts store had one it had the right OD but it had the 1/2 id. I forget the application.


So I'm not sure. I'm going to go out and measure the Depth tonight to see if the .88 works. If it does work, I may have to give it a shot.

I appriciate your input. Come back to see what happens
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Re: 1984 Eagle wagon
« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2015, 07:00:05 PM »
10 days?! There are quite a few listed on Ebay and also on Novak's site.
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