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Offline rubberducky1774

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axle ratio/ 360 power
« on: May 06, 2012, 09:06:32 PM »
i have an 83 sx4 with a straight six.  best guess what is the axle ratio?

also are the eagle axles strong enough to with stand my new 360?

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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2012, 10:00:11 AM »
Front is OK, but I'd upgrade the rear!
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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2012, 09:55:31 PM »
what should I upgrade?  the gears or the whole rear end?

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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2012, 11:13:56 PM »
The whole rear end, the 2 piece axles themselves are the weakest park.  My SX/4 is getting a Chryco 8.25 with 3.07 gears partially because I have it, and partially because I don't think any of the other options(D44 or Ford 8.8") are significantly better given how I'll use the car.

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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2012, 12:28:19 AM »
whats the best vehicle to get the 8.25 out of?   how much should i expect to pay for an axle?

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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2012, 01:54:48 AM »
Jeep Cherokee '90 up. I got mine for $25 because he didn't like the 3.08 ratio (and neither did any 4x4 guys) I'd say between $0 and $150 is average. Shock mounts need changing
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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2012, 08:38:40 AM »
Yup that's about right, the local u-pull yards are 100-150 end to end, find an XJ with a manual, 90+% chance it's a 3.07.

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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2012, 07:10:10 PM »
what should i do about switching the front? i have 2.35's in mine right now can i just get a new ring and pinion?

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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2012, 10:08:04 PM »
what should i do about switching the front? i have 2.35's in mine right now can i just get a new ring and pinion?

Most likely you'll need a different front end. There are several castings for the front housing and they use different cases. Certain combinations can use normal gears, but most are 2.35 only. There are several threads on it.

If I'm reading my notes correctly the 324 1220 axle assembly listed for 82-83 is the one that will take the 3.07 gearset, but the 89 33 000 754 used it 83 will not.



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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2012, 12:02:33 AM »
ha that was kind of a confusing mess. should I just try to find an earlier front axle and get a new ring and pinion for it?

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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2012, 09:45:47 AM »
ha that was kind of a confusing mess. should I just try to find an earlier front axle and get a new ring and pinion for it?
If you can get an axle that's not 2.35 it'll be a sure bet for a swap, and you'll probably be able to find a 3.07 because they were available every year but '88.
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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2012, 10:49:56 AM »
I have a pair of 2.73s (near Seattle) with vacuum front. I haven't pulled them yet, but will as soon as I sell my van.
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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2012, 11:44:13 AM »
has anyone just tried to upgrade the axle shafts in the rear to make it stronger?

what options are out there?

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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2012, 12:15:34 PM »
has anyone just tried to upgrade the axle shafts in the rear to make it stronger?

what options are out there?

I don't know if there is a one piece axle kit for the AMC 15, but honestly, it would be cheaper to put the Jeep axle in. By the time you buy the gears with proper ratio have them installed and purchase axle shafts, if available, it would cost you probably close to $1,000. 
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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2012, 12:45:11 PM »
Eagle Wheel Mounting Surface (WMS) is supposed to be 60.75

Many AMC/Jeep vehicles are in the 60-61 range. You have to move the mounts on the axles around.

That opens up the Dana 44, AMC 20, and the Chrysler axle some people have swapped here.

I think it's hard even finding replacement shafts, there was a thread a little while back about adapting one-piece shafts for the Eagle axle, and I don't remember the outcome. However, that would be the easiest if it were available.
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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2012, 12:41:18 AM »
what do you guys think about a amc 20 swap?   are they good axles?   i found one for 200 drum to drum and wondering how much work it is to put in an eagle

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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2012, 02:07:39 PM »
Depends what it is out of. CJ would be wrong bolt pattern as would FSJ. M20 from an MJ is fairly rare (I wanted one for my '87)
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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2012, 02:44:43 PM »
The AMC 20 found in CJ's has a terrible reputation. Downright dismal. I will sell you one for $40 and I have seen many for sale on CList for less than $100. $200 is a terribly inflated price. If you do go with the AMC20, you will have to buy one piece axles for it and also weld on new mounts.

The axle to get excited about is the Dana 44 from an early XJ or from a Commanche. The XJ Dana 44s are often worth more because they are a direct bolt in to XJs. In our case we need to weld on new perches and shock mounts anyway, so the best axle is actually the Commanche Axle. A Commanche axle has the perch on the underside and it doesn't have any shock mounts because the shock attaches to the Ubolt plate, very similar to the way an AMC Spirit axle is set up. The best thing about Commanche axles is that alot of them have factory limited slips because alot of Commanches are 2WD. The Commanche axles are also much more common. I purchased two of them so far for $300 without limited slip and $350 for limited slip.

If you have a stock AMC 360 and are still using the stock Motorcraft 2150 carb you realistically have the same power and torque as a 4.0. Its very humble. If so you don't need anything fancy. A Jeep XJ 8.25, Dana35, or Ford 8.8 are all more than enough for that engine. The Dana44 is only marginally better. I really only get excited about them because of how easy it is to adapt rear calipers to them and because I never want another wheel to fall off. My family has been driving Eagles for a long time. We've had a rear wheel fall off three times.

For my big budget AMC 401 powered SX4, I will be using a custom Dana 60 with Warn full floating axle conversion and 5x5.5 bolt pattern. This is something to consider if you heavily modify your 360 to its full potential in the future. Its realistically possible to double the power and torque from the factory values if you're willing to put the time and money into it. A Dana60 with the 5x5.5 bolt pattern is found factory installed under Jeep trucks, but those have a flanged axle. The idea behind a full floating axle is that you can shear the axle and your wheel won't fall off. That is also the huge advantage of the Dana 44 over the Dana 35. The axle is also less likely to break since it no longer has any vertical load on it. The weight of the vehicle is also supported by the axle when you have a flanged axle. A full floating Dana60 is only found with 6 or 8 lugs from the factory, but Warn offers a kit to convert one. If I go with a fully assembled, converted, machined and lightened, professionally produced Dana 60 shortened to my liking I expect to spend between $5000 and $6000 dollars.

There was a thread on here about the minor machine work needed to install XJ wheel bearings into the stock Eagle Independent Front Suspension. That same concept also works to convert the front of an Eagle to 5x5.5. That is a way to keep the same rims front and back after upgrading the rear axle.
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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2012, 11:06:44 AM »
Moser industries. For my 70 AMX $470.00 for the pair. They also claim 30 percent stronger than stock solid axles.
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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2012, 12:31:04 PM »
Dang! Have they gone up that much? 10 years ago I bought some from Dutchman for $270
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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2012, 11:29:27 PM »
Dang! Have they gone up that much? 10 years ago I bought some from Dutchman for $270
Along with bearings I thought that was pretty cheap. Try to buy an axle from a car dealer GM Ford etc I don't think you could buy one without bearings. They wouldn't be as high a grade either.
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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2012, 02:51:09 AM »
I get OEM replacements through NAPA for @$125 each now. Don't have them for the Eagle though. That's why I'm upgrading to a Chrysler 8.25. I'll have a matching pair of 2.72s for sale after that.
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Re: axle ratio/ 360 power
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2012, 10:29:30 PM »
i wanna install a dana 44 in my eagle because of the upgraded 360   what would be the best vehicle to take it out of so that i dont have width issues?

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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2012, 12:52:29 AM »
XJ Jeep. There's a lot of write up about this swap in the forum.
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