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Shift on the fly switch on 81 sx4

Started by olymunch, December 29, 2011, 07:12:58 PM

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olymunch

So I bought an 81 sx4 and the 4wd switch is a later model on the fly version and a different color. How can I tell if its the correct transfer case. The 4wd works but I've only shifted it while the car was stopped.

IowaEagle

IIRC the NP 129 cases are identical -- just that the shift motors were different as the shift on the fly models did not have the axle disconnect and called for a different, fewer port, shift motor on the transfer case.  Any NP 129 can be made to work as a shift on the fly unit.
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1982 Eagle SX/4 Sport;
1980 Concord DL;
1970 Ambassador 2 Dr HT, SST
2002 Hyundai Santa Fe;
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olymunch

So are you saying that if the switch is shift on the fly then the motor is as well and I can shift on the fly? What are the consequences of using the shift on the fly if it's not set up for it?   This is my first eagle so I'm pretty new

IowaEagle

Cannot tell if the motor was changed out for the right one without seeing it.  Who knows if the if the front axle was locked in place and then the existing motor was replumbed to make it shift on the fly??  That would all take a physical inspection.
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Not a Jeep.  Not a Car.  Its an AMC Eagle!

1982 Eagle SX/4 Sport;
1980 Concord DL;
1970 Ambassador 2 Dr HT, SST
2002 Hyundai Santa Fe;
2008 Jeep Patriot Sport - Freedom Drive II

carnuck

You need to look and see if there is a vacuum motor on the axle. It can be best seen by looking forwards between the passenger's side of the motor and the tire by the axle mount. If it was originally a NP119, someone may have put in a NP129 and this would be shift on the fly.
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olymunch

I'll crawl under there and take a look, also there should be a plaque with the transfer case number on it right?

carnuck

Transfercase should have a round tag on the back, but if swapped, who knows what's in there?

If it's a vacuum axle, one of these will be on the tube with vacuum lines attached

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olymunch

Thanks for the pic
Let me get something straight, so a vacuum would indicate a shift on the fly. So a non shift on the fly doesn't use a vacuum?

IowaEagle

Shift on the fly requires vacuum but only to the transfer case shift motor as there is no axle disconnect shift motor.
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Not a Jeep.  Not a Car.  Its an AMC Eagle!

1982 Eagle SX/4 Sport;
1980 Concord DL;
1970 Ambassador 2 Dr HT, SST
2002 Hyundai Santa Fe;
2008 Jeep Patriot Sport - Freedom Drive II

carnuck

Vacuum axle means it's not shift on the fly unless you modify it to be permanently engaged.
AMC/Jeep gauges are for amusement only. Any correlation between them and reality is purely coincidental!

olymunch

Ok, I think I'll have to get it up in the air and double check, not that shifting to 4wd while stopped is all that hasslesome.

carnuck

Essentially if your dash switc has the pull before flipping the switch button, it's not shift on the fly. After the mod, you can pull that button off.
AMC/Jeep gauges are for amusement only. Any correlation between them and reality is purely coincidental!

olymunch

Well it's a 1981 so It didn't come with shift on the fly but it has the shift on the fly switch but of a different color. So there's two things out of place, one being the existence of a shift on the fly switch at all, and the second being the different color.
When I hit the switch I can hear the vacuum engaging. I was just wondering if the existence of the different switch meant that I had shift on the fly but also wanted to see if there was a way I could be sure, like checking the diff or tc. I just don't wanna do any damage.

carnuck

Yup. Definitely check the front diff. If there is no vacuum lines or a shift motor on it, you're probably good to go.
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Draekon

Late '81s were stop and shift, so they would have originally had a shift lever.  It is possible that switch was replaced with a shift on the fly switch, but all the drivetrain components are original stop and shift parts.

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