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Re: Ginger the 83 wagon
« Reply #105 on: March 24, 2011, 12:10:10 AM »
Good save Don!! I had no idea about that...heres an egg for saving me a hard lesson in the new future!

Also I was wondering...
1. can I get a 92' jeep 4.0 cam at a parts store or will I have to go find one in a yard.
2. What computer parts will I need to rob from the donor jeep, and where is it located on the jeep?
3. The water ports are differnt between the 4.2 and 4.0. ...I know theres something with packing peanuts and JB weld but im not sure exactly what I do with those. I want to be 100% sure before I start packing JB Weld into the head!!

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Re: Ginger the 83 wagon
« Reply #106 on: March 24, 2011, 03:16:36 AM »
Good save Don!! I had no idea about that...heres an egg for saving me a hard lesson in the new future!

Also I was wondering...
1. can I get a 92' jeep 4.0 cam at a parts store or will I have to go find one in a yard.
2. What computer parts will I need to rob from the donor jeep, and where is it located on the jeep?
3. The water ports are differnt between the 4.2 and 4.0. ...I know theres something with packing peanuts and JB weld but im not sure exactly what I do with those. I want to be 100% sure before I start packing JB Weld into the head!!

Thanx
shane

1. yes, you should be able to get one through Autozone. If not, then a junkyard or Ebay is your next best bet. Either way, make sure you get the specs on the cam before purchase to make sure it is what you expect it to be instead of a Renix cam or something. ]
2. If you are sticking with an autotragic configuration, you'll probably want to swap over to the AW4, or expensive crank damper and sensor,  or if you wish to keep the stock Eagle tranny, maybe someone here can chime in as to whether or not the bells are interchangeable, because if so, you can use an AW4 bell for the cps mount and keep your tranny without having to worry about wiring for an AW4. If manual, you'd either have to buy the crank damper from hesco or swap in an AX15. My AX15 and parts (clutch, flywheel) cost almost the same as what they now charge for the damper and sensor.  Either way, you will need the entire engine wiring harness from the firewall plug out, including the leads that run to the transfer case and transmission. DO NOT CUT ANYTHING in the engine bay if you can help it. The engine computer is located on the driver side fender facing the engine bay, if I remember correctly. Either way, if you lift the hood, you will see it, it has a very large connector with a hex head bolt going through that connector. The computer will be bolted somewhere off to the side. You will need to grab all sensors that harness was connected to (except oil pres):
Cam sensor inside distributor. Grab whole distributor
coil (located exactly where mechanical fuel pump bolts up on 4.2)
crank sensor on bellhousing toward top, driver side
Throttlebody (IAC and TPS)
Fuel injectors (for a mockup, but stock jeep injectors flow too little, you should use 24lb/hr injectors)
two wire coolant temp sensor on thermostat housing (make sure you grab that too)
single wire coolant temp sensor toward rear of head (for gauge)
MAP sensor, bolted to bulkhead above valvecover
IAT (intake air temp) sensor located in intake manifold
O2 sensor (buy that new), would be located about 3-4" down from collector outlet, on exhaust pipe.
There's a certain sensor on the transfer case that's for automatics, I don't remember what it's called, but if you choose to go with an AW4, chances are you'll have to change to a newer t-case in order to have that sensor.

3. The only two holes you absolutely are not allowed to fill on the gasket side of the head are the two enlongated water jackets located directly at the rear of the head. The three triangular ports around each studbore are fine to fill, though you would only need to do the two closest to the edge. Technically, a 4.0 head gasket seals all jackets up except for those two at the rear of the head. The gasket covers over the rest of them. If you purchase a gasket then place it on the head, you'll see what I mean.
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Re: Ginger the 83 wagon
« Reply #107 on: March 24, 2011, 05:22:37 AM »


             HI  I was going to recommend tougeagle post on 4.0 head swap .and I saw another one the outher day
                   they welded the holes up and the other one was they drilled out the holes round and used fries plugs
                   I like the J B weld but I would fell better if I could get all the packing out before the head goes on.
                   I get parts from  Quadratec.com    they have good parts candy store ......there is outher ways to get
                   parts .I went to a junk yard  and bough a wrecked Cherokee pulled out motor trans and transfer case
                   To go in my 89Comanche .and the 4.0 that came out is for parts.and i sold what was left of the kee
                   I paid 650 for the wreck and got what i wanted off and sold it for 250 so motor  trans and transfer for
                   400..... I  got  the computer wires ever thing i needed ..or you can go to the jeep parts they have
                     every thing new cam kit I will get back to you later my eyes are hurting.....Don
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Re: Ginger the 83 wagon
« Reply #108 on: March 24, 2011, 12:21:53 PM »

               HI Im back I think I have Macaulay something. its  holes in your retina . and they are hurting today I have to use a magnifying glass to read the post..I go to the Jeep dealer parts dept. they were cheaper then auto zone here  ..the Cherokee that i bough was a 96 wrecked in the back ....I had trouble with the timing we put in the motor and it would not run .we had to use my fly wheel for it to run this is 4.0     I the computer ther is a chip called a prom that is what you have to change if you go E F I  ......toug eagle  covered so good .............Don
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Re: Ginger the 83 wagon
« Reply #109 on: March 24, 2011, 07:21:40 PM »
Thanks for all that info guys!! I really appreciate it!! ;D Ill probably keep the stock rebuilt tranny for now....Ill probably upgrade down the road though...I got alot of research (and saving) to do before I tackle a tranny swap.

Hey Tougeagle...Once I get all the parts rounded up and reassembaled, If I throw you some cash would you be available to help me wire up the computer some time...Id be more than happy to pay for your gas and time....Its just that Me and electronics DO NOT get along...I can totally see me frying something.  ;D

I was also kinda curious..does this coversion freak out the Eagles primitive computer in any way?...Oh, and do I want 4.2 lifters or 4.0.

I went to autozone today and got a 4.0 head gasket...I inquired about cams...they had one model of cam for 91-95 jeeps a Melling I believe.
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Re: Ginger the 83 wagon
« Reply #110 on: March 24, 2011, 07:34:14 PM »
Thanks for all that info guys!! I really appreciate it!! ;D Ill probably keep the stock rebuilt tranny for now....Ill probably upgrade down the road though...I got alot of research (and saving) to do before I tackle a tranny swap.

Hey Tougeagle...Once I get all the parts rounded up and reassembaled, If I throw you some cash would you be available to help me wire up the computer some time...Id be more than happy to pay for your gas and time....Its just that Me and electronics DO NOT get along...I can totally see me frying something.  ;D

I was also kinda curious..does this coversion freak out the Eagles primitive computer in any way?...Oh, and do I want 4.2 lifters or 4.0.

I went to autozone today and got a 4.0 head gasket...I inquired about cams...they had one model of cam for 91-95 jeeps a Melling I believe.
You won't be using the Eagle computer if you do the efi swap, you'll be using the jeep computer. The eagle computer and entire engine wiring harness will be removed. I can probably try and set aside some time if I can keep my boss from putting me on more projects after I finish the Audi tonight. The 4.0 gasket is the right one. Ask for the 92 cam specifically if you can, and if they can't give you that specific year, but it is a 91-95 (their grinds are almost identical), make sure to get the same year pushrods and lifters, there was some pushrod length variation. Pushrods and lifters always go with the cam. The melling camshaft is the one you want, they make stock grinds.

Also, to answer teneagle, you use water soluble packing peanuts, they dissolve into the coolant and do not tint it.
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Re: Ginger the 83 wagon
« Reply #111 on: March 24, 2011, 07:58:49 PM »
Much appreciated man!!!....I wont be at the computer stage for quite a while....probably a few months atleast. Lots of stuff to buy and get machined and cleaned...Thanx again!!

Also i wanted to personally thank you too Don!! ;D You guys have saved me from alot of huge mistakes and hours of wasted time!!

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Re: Ginger the 83 wagon
« Reply #112 on: March 24, 2011, 10:43:18 PM »
Well here it is, the first (and cheapest) part of my 4.0 EFI upgrade!! The coveted 4.0 Felpro head gasket ;D
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Re: Ginger the 83 wagon
« Reply #113 on: March 25, 2011, 04:20:20 AM »
I had three of those hanging up in my garage at one time. All of them unusable. Moral of the story: fill the water jackets properly. Do not reuse head bolts. Have help setting the head on the block :P
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Re: Ginger the 83 wagon
« Reply #114 on: March 25, 2011, 10:22:07 PM »
I hear ya Don!!! I like working on Ginger and all but one head gasket job is about all I care to do!! Luckily the head will go on while the engine is still out....Now weather or not I get the water jacket thing right the first time is a whole other story!!...May end up with a great post for the "dont do this" section ;D
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Re: Ginger the 83 wagon
« Reply #115 on: March 27, 2011, 09:19:30 PM »
Ive been going crazy waiting to save up the money to get Gingers engine hot tanked. I tinkered around with her today and pulled off the fender trim on one side to see what was all under there (good or bad)...I found a kinda bad suprise.... very minor as far as rust goes...and im an ok  body guy, so Im not real worried about it. Looks like someone used sheet metal screw t pull out a dent :-\

I had to pull off the tire to get the trim off so I decided to take a peak at the brakes. The guy I bought it from mentioned the rear brakes were a bit noisy...Looks like new drums in Gingers future
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Re: Ginger the 83 wagon
« Reply #116 on: March 27, 2011, 09:37:53 PM »
Yup, looks like rear brake overhaul time.
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Re: Ginger the 83 wagon
« Reply #117 on: March 27, 2011, 09:50:18 PM »
I just thought of another upgrade question too guys....Will I need a 4.0 oil pump or will a 4.2 oil pump still work in it....Either way its getting a new one..just need need to know which.

Ill tell ya what.. I would be having a whole lot more funwith this project if I had a big fat bank roll in my pocket...this build on a budget stuff is sure frustrating!!!
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Re: Ginger the 83 wagon
« Reply #118 on: March 27, 2011, 10:06:02 PM »
Ive changed brake pads and shoes before but thats about as far as ive gone with brake work. Im guesing the calipers and other components are pretty much toast as well...I guess Ill be getting a crash course in brake system repair...(hopefully not literally) I hope the brake hardware and components are still readily available for these things.
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Re: Ginger the 83 wagon
« Reply #119 on: March 28, 2011, 12:08:35 AM »
4.2 oil pump to work with the 4.2 oil pickup tube to work with the eagle pan. Eagle oilpans are car specific.



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