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Ok, I'm sure more than one of my friends are going to want to get in line to slap me for this... but my friend the wrench is at least on my side....  I've bought another one.

Yes folks, that's right, after a rather accidental discovery on craigslist, I'm just about to acquire a black 1987 4-door sedan.  Or maybe I should say 87AMCEagle1's former 1987 4-door sedan; it was his after all.  The current owner doesn't have the time to work on it any more and for the price, I couldn't say no.  Both owners have done quite a bit to keep this bird in the land of the living, so I guess it's my turn... with all the spare parts I have, I'm sure I've got a fighting chance  (now to get some brake lines and figure out what to do with the carburetor.  Expect me to be conversing in "The Shop" shortly hahaha.) 

Here's his original For Sale listing for it if you want a better idea:
http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=15346.0

The current owner still has all of 87AMCEagle1's paperwork for it as well.  Everything down to the original sales slip from Camelot Motors.

I'll have pictures taken of it soon, although it's no ROTM  :) And I guess this'll be a new project car thread for me as well.  Hopefully this one will be substantially shorter than the one for my '83 Sport Wagon  8)
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Re: I must be f#@!*^& crazy... (Now known as The Camelot '87 sedan)
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2009, 04:45:02 PM »
Congrats!  So have we ever seen any pictures of this one?   Any literature from Camelot may be worth posting on the AMC Heritage History Forum's dealership boards as well. 
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Re: I must be f#@!*^& crazy... (Now known as The Camelot '87 sedan)
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2009, 05:26:35 PM »
Congrats!  So have we ever seen any pictures of this one?   Any literature from Camelot may be worth posting on the AMC Heritage History Forum's dealership boards as well. 

Well, I'm sure there's a bunch of goodies in the stack of papers and books that 87AMCEagle1 included with the car, but probably no pictures.  And I guess the dealership was at 1010 Central Ave in Albany, NY.  A google search indicates that the property is now a Pep Boys (go figure) and there's probably nothing left of the original buildings.  I'll see what's in the paperwork and add photos if there's anything good.  I saw the full color "calendar style" dealership brochure tho, and it's practically new.
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the biggest issue
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2009, 06:46:51 PM »
Well, best to make a start here.  So far the major issues (that I found) are:

1. Idle deteriorates as engine warms up.

I've seen many posts about the Carter being a source of bad cold start/idle, but nothing like this:  This little bird fired up nice and quick after giving it the customary pedal pumps (engine was cold).  The fast idle speed sounded normal (no tach on this one), no odd sounds, and healthy smelling & looking exhaust; on the whole a nice healthy sounding 258.  After about 5 mins of idling though, the idle became progressively slower and she started to putt with increasing frequency.  I shut the engine off before it could die, but I sensed that stall was imminent. 

I can tell there has to be a few vacuum leaks just by taking a look at the smog vacuum lines living on top of the valve cover (no smogectomy either), could this be the cause?  The current (and I think previous) owner said it needed "a new carb".  I'm interested to know what people think of this.

EDIT:  The previous owner performed the TFI "Juice Box" upgrade, so I know that's not the cuplrit.

2.  Rear passenger side brake line bad. 

The brake lines running to the rear passenger side wheel are clearly bad.  Any suggestions on brake lines that people have used with decent success in salty environments (winter road salt)?

3.  Body rot.

Thankfully I've got a guy who can do body welding for a decent price.  I know I have to replace the rear driver side door, but luckily I have a complete set of replacements that comes with the car!  There's a rusty spot in the trunk near the rear edge of the leaf spring as well, but that's already been prepped for repair.  There's significant rot at the rear edge of the front passenger wheel extending along the rocker.  There's rust underneath the vinyl top near the rear opera windows (one side has had the vinyl mostly removed already).  Luckily the undercarraige appears to have been well painted by 87AMCEagle1 and seemed to pass the knock test all around.

4.  Misc.

I observed a slight bit of dampness around the driver side of the plastic valve cover after I shut it off.  It looks like it's not quite all the way flush to the rest of the block, but I could be wrong.  I've already resigned myself to having to do the aluminum replacement at some point anyway.  And since I've already done one, it shouldn't be any more difficult.
The vacuum system may have leaks.  Since I live in CT, I'm exempt from emissions on both my eagles so the smogectomy may likely be on the adgenda.
The 4WD operation is unconfirmed.  Once I get it on a lift I'll know for sure, but for now I'm going on the current owner's word that it works properly.  If not, no big deal since at worst it's the transfer case and I've got a spare one of those too!

Progress to be noted as it occurs.
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Re: I must be f#@!*^& crazy... (Now known as The Camelot '87 sedan)
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2009, 07:12:36 PM »
Guessing bad vacuum lines are causing the problem as it warms up.  Different vacuum circuits come into play as the engine warms up.  Circuits which may not be operating (leaking) when first starting the engine.
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Re: I must be f#@!*^& crazy... (Now known as The Camelot '87 sedan)
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2009, 07:40:17 PM »
Yes that is the correct location for Camelot,I still have some bagged AMX parts from them that have thier logo on them.I got a fair warning they were closing and was prompted to purchase some things.Actaully it is now a Nissan Dealership were they were, but was originally part of the Chrysler lot next door.

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Owning an Eagle: so bittersweet....
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2009, 10:13:07 PM »
Well, went to pick up the new bird today.... and had to leave her.  Why you might ask?  Well, in true homage to Murphy, she wouldn't start.  I got her to turn over once, only to die seconds later.  So with no way to get her onto the trailer to take her off to her new home, we left with heavy hearts and selected curse words to return another day with more supplies in the hopes of getting her loaded up and on her way to the shop. 

The good news is: I think she's just out of gas (D'OH! :merror: )

And for all you build sheet fans, I did manage to locate a build sheet under the front passenger seat.  It's a bit ragged so I didn't dare try to extract it for fears of completely destroying it (I also cut myself trying) but it's there for when I decide to try and retrieve it.  Makes me wonder if the '83 has the same present in store for me.

Well with a sacrifice of many hours and some of my blood, it's on to another day... hopefully the Eagle gods will smile upon us next time.

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Re: I must be f#@!*^& crazy... (Now known as The Camelot '87 sedan)
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2009, 08:54:45 AM »
They usually get stubborn like that for a good reason.  The Eagle probably foresaw that it was not a good car hauling day.
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Re: I must be f#@!*^& crazy... (Now known as The Camelot '87 sedan)
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2009, 01:25:11 PM »
They usually get stubborn like that for a good reason.  The Eagle probably foresaw that it was not a good car hauling day.

Well IE, I think you're definitely onto something here.  Turns out that our hauling truck was running a little funny that day and today we discovered that two spark plug wires were swapped on it, causing it to run rough.  Probably wouldn't have made it a fun drive back home with the eagle in tow and I guess the Eagle knew it.  So with that little issue fixed (and a can of gas with us), we successfully carted this new bird back to the shop.  Now the work begins.  Hopefully there won't be too much left to do in order to get it driving on its own again.

Pictures and updates to follow soon.

Wish me luck.
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Re: I must be f#@!*^& crazy... (Now known as The Camelot '87 sedan)
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2009, 10:39:47 AM »
Yup -- very wise birds these Eagles are.
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Re: I must be f#@!*^& crazy... (Now known as The Camelot '87 sedan)
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2009, 05:34:21 PM »
Well, she's finally in the shop.  Seems the idle problem is proving more elusive than we thought.  Seems when it's cold it'll turn over with a shot of starting fluid and run fine, but shut her off and it's back to the staring fluid.  We'll have to do more investigating and find out why the heck she doesn't wanna start.  The brake lines also seem ok, so looks like we may be troubleshooting the system the messy way.  I'm still hoping to have her driving around before the weather starts getting cold again, but time will tell.

I did have a brief opportunity to snap some shots of her while she was being put up on the lift, so here they are:





The vinyl had been removed from the passenger side for rust inspection.  I fear the driver side is probably worse.





The rust through the passenger side rocker (and the underside of it)... gotta see how hard this is gonna be to repair properly.




The rear passenger door... soon to be replaced.


The undercarriage... looks pretty good





More shots to follow when I get more time to take them.
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Re: I must be f#@!*^& crazy... (Now known as The Camelot '87 sedan)
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2009, 05:55:01 PM »
 Decent ride you got there. Check for a leak in the gas line, that will cause starting problems, check the rubber at fron and back first.

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Re: I must be f#@!*^& crazy... (Now known as The Camelot '87 sedan)
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2009, 06:43:59 PM »
Yes, the front under carriage looks exceptionally good.
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Re: I must be f#@!*^& crazy... (Now known as The Camelot '87 sedan)
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2009, 02:17:46 AM »
That Eagle looks like a decent project launching point.  Good luck with it.
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It's alive.... it's ALIVE!!!!
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2011, 11:35:24 PM »
Well, yes it's been more than 120 days but at long last this little black beauty made it's first flight in many years tonight.  Outfitted with brand-spanking-new antique plates and snow tires I managed to take her for a short and somewhat shaky loop around town. 

To add my $0.02 into the tire size debate, I outfitted her with a set of four Firestone Winterforce M+S studdable snow tires, size 215/65R15.  I got them at a pretty reasonable price at a local Sears and I must say they look rather snazzy.  In addition to the rather intricate sidewall design, they really look good proportionately with the vehicle. In looking for new tires, I reviewed all the size suggestions posted here but after consulting with my mechanic friends, we decided that a 205/75R15 would be too small and that the 215/75R15 set that was on there would probably rub since the suspension isn't perfect (and since I think they were made in 1997, they were getting replaced regardless).  I'll be sure to update more on how the new ones work out, but so far so good.

Despite the super cool new plates and spiffy new tires, the ride didn't quite go as well as I could have hoped.

After a rather uneventful warm up (at which point I remarked how deliciously evil the car looks from the front with just the parking lights on a dim street), the stalling issue cropped up again like clockwork.  Seems she's still having problems with idling once warmed up.  It took me a little bit to get the hang of having to drive with two feet and manually shift to keep her from dying out, but after a few hair raising stalls, I managed to keep her running for the most part.  We still evidently need to do more adjusting with the Carter and we also noticed the kickdown isn't... so back to the salt mines with that one.

I also noted that the gas gauge is most decidedly not working.  I'm unsure whether the problem is the more common dead sending unit, or whether the gauges might be the problem because....

The temperature gauge seems to have lost it's mind in that it starts off in the middle of the range and, as the car warms up, pegs at the top of the dial.  The car has coolant and is clearly not overheating, so I'm wondering what the cause might be.  More research through the forums for me tomorrow haha.

On the flipside of that coin however, I did notice a number of good things such as:

The license plate light works!!!  Someone call the media because this has to be a freaking miracle.  I was tempted to take a picture for posterity.  Seriously.

The heating/defrost part of the HVAC system works like a charm.  Even does a decent job of defogging the windshield, which is more than I can say for most modern cars.

The transmission shifts cleanly and what I'd assume to be normally.  The shift button is nice and strong and the shifter locks into place firmly (but is still remarkably easy to shift between N and D quickly when needed haha).  Even the backlight in the shift indicator works.

All other interior and exterior lights seem to work properly from the trunk light to the dashboard to the radio backlights. 

Finally, and hopefully I'm not whammying myself here but, it seems like the 4wd does engage.  The feel of the car suggests that I'm getting power to all four wheels so I'm crossing my fingers that the Select Drive system is still alive and well.

Well, that's all for the moment.  More will come soon I'm sure.  For now I must prepare to brave another New England snow storm without 4 wheel drive.
'94 Crown Vic P71 (my baby) [permanently out to pasture :'( ]
'96 Crown Vic P71 (the new beast) [the primary driver]
'83 Eagle Sport Wagon [almost flying again]
'87 Eagle Sedan [running!]
'80 Honda Accord HB (aka Boing Boing) [the little one]

 

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