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Re: Priya's SX/4 project
« Reply #675 on: August 27, 2012, 01:44:09 PM »
I sat down and read this whole thing from post one yesterday. So impressed! Did you learn any lessons from this that you'll apply to future projects? Have any advice for us newbies getting started on our own projects?

Thanks unpossible.  One of the lessons I learned was the same one I learn every project but keep seeming to forget - its always worse than it looks  so when you're contemplating starting a project keep that in mind.  Initially I thought I had a couple of small holes in the rocker to fix  but once I got started testing with a scratch awl and got the interior out I saw most of the inner and outer rockers gone and when hubby encouraged me to replace them entirely I was pretty reluctant to committ to that.  If I had it to do over again I'd have replaced even more sheet metal than I did because for example on the passenger side I kept part of the original outer and inner rocker and after replacing portions of those panels I  sandblasted the remaining original panel and found a number of pinholes I welded up, then more sandblasting and more holes to weld and so on.  I eventually got them all, but it would have been better to just replace that entire panel.  Often portions of the outside of a panel surrounding a rusty area look pretty good and may even still be covered in paint but the interior surface has deep rust pits and what appears good should be replaced.  Even though it may look good plan on replacing a bigger area than you think you need to.  Test with a sharp object like a scractch awl, place it in various places over the suspect area and tap lightly to see if it goes through - it will not go through solid sheet metal but it may also be the case that there are a number of areas where the panel is pretty thin and you won't hit them with the pointy object and you'll think its good when it would be better to replace it (that's what happend to me on the passenger side rocker panel).  If you can see or feel the backside of the panel and the panel isn't reasonably smooth (even if there is a light coating of rust) replace it anyway.

The other thing I learned, is that despite how long it takes you don't want to rush it.  The body work on the car I did prior to this came out flawlessly but on this one there are numerous minor imperfections in the paint that can be seen if one looks for them.  After I had done all the bodywork I was doing the final prep for paint and we arranged with a co-worker of Wards to paint it on a particular weekend.  I felt rushed to get it ready and didn't spend the time I should have to make sure the final surface was perfectly smooth and it showed up in the finished product.  It looks good if you don't look too closely at it, but if you scrutinize the car to see how good the paint job was you can notice a lot of minor flaws.  If I had to do it all over again I'd have ensured I got another 2 to 3 weeks to do the final surface prep and make sure it was as good as possible.

Although there is a lot of work to repairing rust if you have the right attitude you can stick with it and get it done.  I'm not the most highly motivated person in the world, I'm prone to depression and often easily discouraged but I managed to see it through by keeping this in mind - once you've realistically appraised the project and decided you are committed to completing all the work you estimate it will take stop thinking about what the whole job entails.  Instead focus on short term goals and ignore the rest.  When you go out to work on the car think "My goal is to remove this old rusty panel and prep the surface for a replacement and that will be an accomplishment".  When you're done that think "My goal is to form a replacement panel (buy already made if you can) and that will be an accomplishment." and then "My goal is to weld in this new panel and that's all I'm thinking about accomplishing at this time" and so on.  Don't think about the entire amount of work you have in front of you as it can seem overwhelming if you do.  Just remind yourself that if you keep accomplishing small goals on a regular basis you will get it all done.  A lot of days I really didn't want to go out to the garage and work on the car, it was raining, or cold, or I just felt down but I told myself "Let's go out and at least do a little bit, even if its only 1/2 hour and then I'll still be making progress even if its slow." and that's what I did.

Even though I don't have a job I found the most I could consistently manage with my depression prone low motivated self was typically about 12 to 15 hours a week although there were times I put in much longer hours such as when I was doing the final prep for paint I put in a few 40 hour weeks.  A motivated person with a full time job can do this sort of restoration weekends and evenings and do it in the same number of months I took or less.  I know some people on the Eagle nest with full time jobs have done so and I can't tell you how impressed I am with that.  For me that wouldn't have been possible, when I worked full time it was all I could do to handle that and any thing other than relaxation on evenings and weekends was out of the question.  You have to decide how big the project is and how much time you can consistently put in over the long haul to complete the project.  If you commit to a large project be determined to work on it on a regular basis even if you don't spend much time on it and at some point you will complete it.  I just kept telling myself "If I keep at it it'll get done, if I keep at it it'll get done" and it did.

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Re: Priya's SX/4 project
« Reply #676 on: November 16, 2012, 12:44:56 PM »
wow  :hello2: looking good
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Re: Priya's SX/4 project
« Reply #677 on: November 16, 2012, 04:31:15 PM »
Thanks, Eagleneer  :)

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Re: Priya's SX/4 project
« Reply #678 on: November 16, 2012, 06:26:21 PM »
Love what you did to your Eagle.. Made feel inferior and envious..

But as a bonus gives me something to strive for..

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Re: Priya's SX/4 project
« Reply #679 on: November 16, 2012, 10:44:44 PM »
If I can do it, anyone can Spreadeagle.  Good luck on your project.

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Re: Priya's SX/4 project
« Reply #680 on: November 17, 2012, 02:38:06 PM »
I sat down and read this whole thing from post one yesterday. So impressed! Did you learn any lessons from this that you'll apply to future projects? Have any advice for us newbies getting started on our own projects?

Thanks unpossible.  One of the lessons I learned was the same one I learn every project but keep seeming to forget - its always worse than it looks  so when you're contemplating starting a project keep that in mind.  Initially I thought I had a couple of small holes in the rocker to fix  but once I got started testing with a scratch awl and got the interior out I saw most of the inner and outer rockers gone and when hubby encouraged me to replace them entirely I was pretty reluctant to committ to that.  If I had it to do over again I'd have replaced even more sheet metal than I did because for example on the passenger side I kept part of the original outer and inner rocker and after replacing portions of those panels I  sandblasted the remaining original panel and found a number of pinholes I welded up, then more sandblasting and more holes to weld and so on.  I eventually got them all, but it would have been better to just replace that entire panel.  Often portions of the outside of a panel surrounding a rusty area look pretty good and may even still be covered in paint but the interior surface has deep rust pits and what appears good should be replaced.  Even though it may look good plan on replacing a bigger area than you think you need to.  Test with a sharp object like a scractch awl, place it in various places over the suspect area and tap lightly to see if it goes through - it will not go through solid sheet metal but it may also be the case that there are a number of areas where the panel is pretty thin and you won't hit them with the pointy object and you'll think its good when it would be better to replace it (that's what happend to me on the passenger side rocker panel).  If you can see or feel the backside of the panel and the panel isn't reasonably smooth (even if there is a light coating of rust) replace it anyway.

The other thing I learned, is that despite how long it takes you don't want to rush it.  The body work on the car I did prior to this came out flawlessly but on this one there are numerous minor imperfections in the paint that can be seen if one looks for them.  After I had done all the bodywork I was doing the final prep for paint and we arranged with a co-worker of Wards to paint it on a particular weekend.  I felt rushed to get it ready and didn't spend the time I should have to make sure the final surface was perfectly smooth and it showed up in the finished product.  It looks good if you don't look too closely at it, but if you scrutinize the car to see how good the paint job was you can notice a lot of minor flaws.  If I had to do it all over again I'd have ensured I got another 2 to 3 weeks to do the final surface prep and make sure it was as good as possible.

Although there is a lot of work to repairing rust if you have the right attitude you can stick with it and get it done.  I'm not the most highly motivated person in the world, I'm prone to depression and often easily discouraged but I managed to see it through by keeping this in mind - once you've realistically appraised the project and decided you are committed to completing all the work you estimate it will take stop thinking about what the whole job entails.  Instead focus on short term goals and ignore the rest.  When you go out to work on the car think "My goal is to remove this old rusty panel and prep the surface for a replacement and that will be an accomplishment".  When you're done that think "My goal is to form a replacement panel (buy already made if you can) and that will be an accomplishment." and then "My goal is to weld in this new panel and that's all I'm thinking about accomplishing at this time" and so on.  Don't think about the entire amount of work you have in front of you as it can seem overwhelming if you do.  Just remind yourself that if you keep accomplishing small goals on a regular basis you will get it all done.  A lot of days I really didn't want to go out to the garage and work on the car, it was raining, or cold, or I just felt down but I told myself "Let's go out and at least do a little bit, even if its only 1/2 hour and then I'll still be making progress even if its slow." and that's what I did.

Even though I don't have a job I found the most I could consistently manage with my depression prone low motivated self was typically about 12 to 15 hours a week although there were times I put in much longer hours such as when I was doing the final prep for paint I put in a few 40 hour weeks.  A motivated person with a full time job can do this sort of restoration weekends and evenings and do it in the same number of months I took or less.  I know some people on the Eagle nest with full time jobs have done so and I can't tell you how impressed I am with that.  For me that wouldn't have been possible, when I worked full time it was all I could do to handle that and any thing other than relaxation on evenings and weekends was out of the question.  You have to decide how big the project is and how much time you can consistently put in over the long haul to complete the project.  If you commit to a large project be determined to work on it on a regular basis even if you don't spend much time on it and at some point you will complete it.  I just kept telling myself "If I keep at it it'll get done, if I keep at it it'll get done" and it did.
  That's a lot like my motto...only mine goes more like this ..."I think I can, I think I can, .....whoops". But eventually I know it will get done also. Your car looks great!

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Re: Priya's SX/4 project
« Reply #681 on: November 17, 2012, 04:56:46 PM »
Thanks Isoar.

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Re: Priya's SX/4 project
« Reply #682 on: November 19, 2012, 08:53:17 PM »
  :hello2: WOW Priya!!!! you really did a fantastic job! absolutely beautiful!! you have inspired me to continue on mine and really make it like i want it... not just halfarsed.
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Re: Priya's SX/4 project
« Reply #683 on: November 20, 2012, 11:43:56 AM »
Glad to hear it Mojobean.  Thanks for the compliment  :)

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Re: Priya's SX/4 project
« Reply #684 on: December 06, 2012, 08:09:17 AM »
Yea I got a few projects an even after they are on the road there is always something to fix or you want to change bout it they are never ending. But one thing you use them as daily driver no car payments an no technology like the new ones to deal with an you know what has been replaced an how to work on it since most places don't now of days they just know modern vehicles not the old ones.
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Re: Priya's SX/4 project
« Reply #685 on: December 06, 2012, 12:25:26 PM »
Right Kalve - Ive got about $1200 worth of parts to be installed in the SX/4 yet and it needs new rear leaf springs but unfortunately I'm broke now.

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Re: Priya's SX/4 project
« Reply #686 on: December 06, 2012, 02:53:06 PM »
I paid $700 for mine an hauling it home bout $1,000 before I got started on it an probably now bout $1,500-$2,000 in it at a guess without adding everything up.
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Re: Priya's SX/4 project
« Reply #687 on: May 13, 2013, 06:57:49 PM »
Its two weeks shy of a year that I've had my Eagle on the road and I've got about 1070 kilometers on it or about 640 miles - I sure feel like I don't get to drive it enough.  After adjusting the choke, idle mixture and the idle speed settings on both primary and secondary throttle plates I've got it running pretty nicely for most driving conditions but it hesitates on sudden moderate acceleration, tends to stall in winter when cold and just comming off idle,  and pulls unevenly at full throttle when at operating temperature..  I decided today was a good time to make the changes to the Holley 390 cfm carb that the maker of the intake (Clifford) recommends for a six cylinder engine of up to 260 cubic inches.  This consists of a larger accelerator pump discharge nozzel (from .025 to .031), a power valve that comes on sooner (from opening at 6.5 inches of mercury to opening 8.5 inches of mercury), and slightly smaller main jets (from #51 to #48).  When I pulled the primary float bowl off to do this I was very surprised to find:


Yes, that's about 1/4 inch of rusty sediment on the bottom of the metering plate, think that might have something to do with the uneven acceleration at full throttle?  And that's with a fuel filter before the fuel pump and one after the fuel pump.  That's what a car sitting for a dozen or so years with a few gallons of fuel in the tank will get you, even after flushing it to try to clean it out.  Hopefully cleaning out the carb and making the other changes will fix the drivability issues.

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Re: Priya's SX/4 project
« Reply #688 on: May 14, 2013, 05:00:02 PM »
I'm actually really surprised you didn't use TBI on your car. It has top notch attention to detail throughout the car, it would be a very appropriate investment to get the TBI kit for it. You have already made your Eagle appear better than it did when it was brand new, priya, so I hope you're able to get it to run better than a brand new car too!
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Re: Priya's SX/4 project
« Reply #689 on: May 14, 2013, 06:38:52 PM »
For the most part I really wasn't looking to improve the driving experience, I was very happy with the way my first carbureted Eagle ran and that's why I decided not to make major changes to it and stuck with carburetion.  My goal with this build was to duplicate what my previous eagle had and to hopefully gain slight improvements in gas mileage and power.  My previous experience with a Holley carburetor was great so it was the obvious choice for this build.  I really am no good at electrical and electronics systems and had a budget so I never considered fuel injection for this car.  Other than the occaisional hesitation upon acceleration I was very pleased with the way the car was running prior to the changes I made yesterday.  In most driving situations it ran beautifully and idled perfectly in drive at a stoplight purring like a kitten. 

I took it out today to test out the changes I made and initial results were good - ran smoothly, idled nicely with an occaisional chug and the hesitation at sudden moderate acceleration was gone.  I took it out on the highway and did a number of zero to 60 full throttle runs and it accelerated smoothly and strong.  Upon returning from the highway the idle was noticeably worsened and now it'll idle smoothly for 10 seconds or so and then get rough and stall.  I'm not sure if I sucked more crap into it from the tank with the full throttle runs, or when I had it apart I loosened up some of the dirt that was in it and it worked its way into blocking some passage or something.  I'm tempted to take the carb off and go entirely through it but on the other hand if piles of crap are still coming out of the gas tank that might be a waste of time.  With the acceleration problems resolved now I just need to re-establish the great idle I had up until today.

 

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