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Offline maddog

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oil cap blowby
« on: March 29, 2014, 03:16:59 AM »
for the last few months I have been having a problem with Eagle Eyes pushing oil out through the oil cap and the valve cover grommets and for the life of me I can't figure out why she is doing this, so I figured I would ask you guys to see if you had any idea why she is doing this.
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Re: oil cap blowby
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2014, 07:38:30 AM »
How is the pcv valve¿ Do you still have the factory electronic thing in line? I forget its name, if so get rid of it.



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Re: oil cap blowby
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2014, 07:52:00 AM »
Some possibilities...
1. What mk said...PCV valve plugged. Disconnect the hose from the PCV and pull it out of the valve cover. Check it for a plugged passage and shake it. You should hear the "shuttle" inside rattle. Some Eagles had a solenoid in the PCV hose to the manifold. It was located...usually...under the air cleaner. If yours is still there...as mk said...get rid of it. Be sure to secure the wires away from shorting against the engine.
2. Hose from PCV valve to engine intake manifold is rotten. Engine may idle roughly as well.
3. Hose from back of valve cover to air cleaner is plugged or foam filter inside of air cleaner is saturated.
4. Excessive engine blow-by. :eagle:
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Re: oil cap blowby
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2014, 12:53:55 AM »
Some possibilities...
1. What mk said...PCV valve plugged. Disconnect the hose from the PCV and pull it out of the valve cover. Check it for a plugged passage and shake it. You should hear the "shuttle" inside rattle. Some Eagles had a solenoid in the PCV hose to the manifold. It was located...usually...under the air cleaner. If yours is still there...as mk said...get rid of it. Be sure to secure the wires away from shorting against the engine.
2. Hose from PCV valve to engine intake manifold is rotten. Engine may idle roughly as well.
3. Hose from back of valve cover to air cleaner is plugged or foam filter inside of air cleaner is saturated.
4. Excessive engine blow-by. :eagle:
the PCV valve is brand new so that shouldn't be the problem. as for the solenoid thing i'm fairly sure she don't have one but i'll check tomorrow after I get off work. the hose from the PCV valve to the engine looks to be in good shape but i'll have to wait till tomorrow to check that as well, the same goes for the back hose. the foam thing looks like it has been siting in an oil drain pan so I know it needs to be replaced but I have no idea where to get a new one. now if there was excessive engine blow-by wouldn't it smoke while running?
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Re: oil cap blowby
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2014, 07:52:36 AM »
the foam thing looks like it has been siting in an oil drain pan so I know it needs to be replaced but I have no idea where to get a new one. now if there was excessive engine blow-by wouldn't it smoke while running?

Looks like the foam thing is

FRAM Part # BA3812 Crankcase breather element   

It's listed on RockAuto for $0.95, you should be able to get it locally.
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Re: oil cap blowby
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2014, 10:09:18 AM »
Some possibilities...
1. What mk said...PCV valve plugged. Disconnect the hose from the PCV and pull it out of the valve cover. Check it for a plugged passage and shake it. You should hear the "shuttle" inside rattle. Some Eagles had a solenoid in the PCV hose to the manifold. It was located...usually...under the air cleaner. If yours is still there...as mk said...get rid of it. Be sure to secure the wires away from shorting against the engine.
2. Hose from PCV valve to engine intake manifold is rotten. Engine may idle roughly as well.
3. Hose from back of valve cover to air cleaner is plugged or foam filter inside of air cleaner is saturated.
4. Excessive engine blow-by. :eagle:
the PCV valve is brand new so that shouldn't be the problem. as for the solenoid thing i'm fairly sure she don't have one but i'll check tomorrow after I get off work. the hose from the PCV valve to the engine looks to be in good shape but i'll have to wait till tomorrow to check that as well, the same goes for the back hose. the foam thing looks like it has been siting in an oil drain pan so I know it needs to be replaced but I have no idea where to get a new one. now if there was excessive engine blow-by wouldn't it smoke while running?
Excessive blow-by does not necessarily cause smoke from the exhaust. The oil rings can control oil consumption as designed even if the compression rings are somewhat tired. Even brand-new engines will show some blow-by.

The foam crankcase breather element can be washed out with soap and water if you can't find a replacement. I use a strong solution of dishwasher (not hand dishwashing) detergent and hot water for the purpose. Use rubber gloves when you dunk your hands in the solution. Squeeze out as much water as you can and put it back in. It doesn't matter if it's not completely dry. Our dry Colorado air will quickly dry it out.
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Re: oil cap blowby
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2014, 08:34:27 PM »
well I checked the air cleaner for the solenoid but there was nothing with wires coming from it and while I was at it I decided to at least try to wring out the foam piece but it seems to have vanished. as for the hoses I am going to wait to take them off to check them till it's not so windy out side.
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Re: oil cap blowby
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2014, 09:33:58 PM »
Mine was pushing oil up into the air cleaner until the original hose rotted out and I replaced it. I couldn't find a formed hose like the original so I bought a piece of hose and routed it so it wouldn't kink. It's considerably longer than the original, but now the air cleaner stays dry. I'm wondering if the added length allows oil pushed out of the engine the chance to drain back down before it gets pushed up into the air cleaner. :eagle:
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1983 Eagle Limited Wagon, parts; sold
2000 Jeep Cherokee, 4.0, auto
2007 Hyundai Accent, radical downsize from minivan, wife's car and she loves it!

"The society which scorns excellence in plumbing as a humble activity and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because it is an exalted activity will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy: neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water."--John W. Gardner, in "Excellence: Can We Be Equal and Excellent Too?" (1961)
 
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