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Offline mudkicker715

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Re: Transfer Case help
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2012, 03:01:03 PM »
Crawling under the car. got tired of that and cut a hole i later welded up when i put it in my other eagle



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Re: Transfer Case help
« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2012, 04:25:19 PM »
haha that will be fun on a mosquito infested barrier island..  what about speedo cable?  hey captain do you know that dimensions for that pipe to modify the rear drive shaft?   im assuming the front one just fits cuz there was no mention of it.

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Re: Transfer Case help
« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2012, 04:44:32 PM »
Depending on the intermediate housing that is used the front shaft works the rear i spent $100 for custom shaft.
speed haha i broke the cable and drove by tach. it looks to fit on my v8 iirc it should fit the normal eagle



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Re: Transfer Case help
« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2012, 09:56:34 PM »
  Even a NP219 is near useless. 

Not if you put it in 4 low.

I think he meant NP119, but NP219 has Edrive doesn't it?
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Re: Transfer Case help
« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2012, 11:26:58 AM »
I had my 242 behind an SR4. It will definately work just fine. Don't plan on keeping the SR4. The shift lever absolutely will break on you eventually. I've broken 6 of them. A T5 is totally interchangeable and they are often available under $200. Start scanning the Clist adds now and one will eventually pop up for cheap.

When you swap transfer cases you have to keep the front driveshaft yoke from the stock Eagle transfer case and then bolt it to the 242. The XJ version is drastically different but it just unbolts, slides off, and the Eagle one slides right into its place. It's held on by a big nut about 32 mm. If you need to buy the correct socket I can actually look in my notes and I've got the size written down in my garage. The 242 case is a derivative of the NP129 case, so the dimensions are exactly the same in the front. You will have no problem with your front driveshaft whatsoever.

Your Eagle speedo cable works with the NP242.

I try to avoid using the stock Eagle speedo cable because you have to dump all the transfer case fluid every time you pull the transmission or engine. I'll be using the XJ adaptors that can be disconnected without pulling the entire assembly out. I need to order a cable the right length that has the exact same threads on both ends because the VSS threads are identical to the threads on the back of the Eagle speedo itself. I have a link saved from someone else here on the Nest where I can custom order quality Speedo cables with any standard end already installed.

There is a transfer case cable shift kit made by Novak. I haven't bought it because I'll just make my own from an old transmission kickdown cable before spending what Novak wants for their kit. I did buy the Advanced Adaptors hard shift kit and am experimenting with that right now as well. That might be a great option but I'm not sure exactly where it will come through the floorboard yet. It uses a YJ shifter that you grind off the rivets, discarding the old bracket, and then bolting the shift mechanism to the bracket supplied in the kit. I picked up an old YJ shifter from a guy near me who parts out Jeeps on Ebay for a living. He has several more ready to ship and he only charged me $20 bucks for it. We'll see how that works out soon.

I don't know the dimensions off hand of the pipe I used. I won't be in my garge to measure it until Monday. The important dimension is the inside diameter. If you take your old driveshaft apart you can measure right there at the widest point on the splines, which gives you the measurement you need to look for in Inside Diameter. The pipe I used came from an old handrail. It is the style of handrail that gets threaded and pre-cast bolt together joints are used at junction points. I'm betting its a standard plumbing pipe size. You can see in the pictures that it's outside diameter is nearly the same as the end of the driveshaft.



When I said that the NP219 is near useless I was thinking that it had an open differential 4Lo. I think I was mistaken there, I'll have to check the 219 I've got. I went to check my facts and its the NP249 that started off life with 4Lo being open differential. A few years into production they fixed it by changing the NP249 to be fully locked in 4Lo. Having 4Lo be open differential is a cruel joke. It's when you're going slow or at a total stop struggling to start that you need the outputs locked.

A NP219 is a great upgrade over the 129, but they really aren't worth your time unless you find one very cheap. It just doesn't have any advantages over the 242. The 242 is faster and easier to install than the 219 because it just requires a 3 inch piece of pipe cut to install it while the 219 needs your speedo casing drilled and reclocked. The 242 is more reliable and considerably better designed. It's more common and often cheaper. If by some miracle the 219 viscous coupler was working you would and should be afraid of it overheating over extended use. The 242 has an internal oiling pump and better oiling design with no loose silicon fluid floating around to damage bearings, and a fully locked mode where you can beat on it for any length of time without worry of damage. The 219 viscous coupler can't be repaired and won't last, so it's just a liability to the bearings. The NP242 happens to be the same transfer case used in military humvees. It has a higher torque rating than the 219. It's a better choice for most people.

I haven't mentioned the 247 or late 249. The NP247 is the way to go if you value the viscous coupler and want to use your Eagle exactly as the factory inteneded. Both of those are great choices as depending on how you plan on using the Eagle. The 247 has a superior limited slip mechanism and the late 249's have a lackluster viscous coupler that is still considerably stronger and better designed than a 219. I'll be installing several 247's in Eagles that I intend to drive on road primarily.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2012, 11:47:56 AM by captspillane »
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Re: Transfer Case help
« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2012, 11:45:16 AM »
Never changed the front yoke on my 242. there was no need it was the same as the eagle.

Capt you must rough on those shifters . when i recently pulled the sr4 out to fix somthing unrelated to it i saw my shifter. and it was just fine.



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Re: Transfer Case help
« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2012, 12:05:09 PM »
The first picture shows the three yokes I had on the NP129, 242, and 249 that I tore down last year. They are different but interchangeable.

The second picture shows an SR4 Y shifter next to the T5 ball shifter. It's an obviously weak design. It has a notch in it that will break if you don't know how to shift into reverse properly. You're supposed to push the shifter down, then go over to reverse next to first. It has a spring built into the handle for that purpose. When you push down the notch goes under a shelf designed to keep you from going into reverse by accident. If your bushing is worn at the bottom then you can push it in without pushing down, but in the process you fatigue that joint. If you are rough and clueless about where Reverse is, then you can break it outright. Three of them were broken by my immediate family and my mechanic due to ignorance. One of them was already broken and welded when I found it in the junkyard and it didn't last long at all. The first one I broke because I was driving while angry. Another one just gave out for no reason. I owned two SR4 Eagles with over 250K miles on each.



Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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Re: Transfer Case help
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2012, 09:04:49 PM »
Keep in mind that the np242 was available with different (various) spline count input shafts.  Most match the 119/219 but you'll want to be sure you are getting the right one before dragging it home.

I know capt has been using the np242 slip yoke for many miles without issue.  Personally I prefer to stay with a fixed yoke; choose your poison.  Here is a link to a low cost SYE for the np242 if you are interested:

http://www.go.jeep-xj.info/HowtoSYEconversion.htm

Of course this does not address a replacement driveshaft.  I don't own an Eagle (yet) so I have not performed the np242 swap.  Curious if the stock Eagle rear driveshaft would fit behind it.
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Re: Transfer Case help
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2012, 10:07:58 PM »
The rear driveshaft will not work. it needs to be ca. 8" longer



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Re: Transfer Case help
« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2012, 01:12:17 AM »
The rear driveshaft will not work. it needs to be ca. 8" longer

That's why I stuck with the slip yoke for now. With the SYE instructions you cut off alot of tailshaft and the driveshaft won't be long enough. I wonder if a station wagon driveshaft would work in a SYE SX4? That's about 8" longer.

A huge difference I just learned about is the style of rear gaskets between different NP242's. The one I used needs the slip yoke to keep the fluid from pouring out. A kit was made to have a new gasket in a special block off plate. I think newer 242's don't need that special kit because there was another gasket added before the slip yoke housing. Those are much easier to SYE. I would love to know what year that change was made.
Currently Inspected and Insured as of Jan 2013:
-1985 Eagle Station Wagon 258 T5 Stickshift
-1980 Eagle Station Wagon 258 Auto Fuel-injected with GM TBI

Minor Repairs Underway:
-1982 Eagle SX4 258 T5
-1981 Kammback 2.5L Iron Duke T5

Restoration Efforts Near Completion:
-1982 SX4- 401 NV3550
-1983 SX4- 4.5 MPI NSG370 (6 Speed)

Restoration Efforts Underway:
-1985 SW- 4.0 MPI AX15
-1982 SX4- 4.0 AW4
-1981 SX4- SD33T NV4500 (Turbodiesel 5 speed)

Future Rescue Efforts- '85 Maroon SW, '87 Limited SW, '84 Limited SW, '87 4 door Sedan, '81 2 door Sedan, '88 White SW, '77 4 door Hornet, '74 2 door Hornet, '79 Spirit AMX, '81 Kammback.

RIP- Red '81 SX4, '84 4dr Sedan, '84 SW, '81 SW, '80 Spirit, '83 SW, '83 4dr Sedan

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Re: Transfer Case help
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2012, 01:24:19 PM »
Team. I don't like to make new posts if I can avoid it so I'll put it back in here. Is there a bench test procedure for the viscous case?
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Re: Transfer Case help
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2012, 01:32:17 PM »
From the TSM
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On-Bench Torque Bias Check
NOTE: The following procedure can be used as both a
diagnostic procedure and a means of verifying coupling
operation prior to reassembly and installation of the
transfer case.
(1) Remove and disassemble transfer case as outlined
in this chapter.
(2) Install clutch gear on side gear.
(3) Install assembled clutch gear and side gear in
viscous coupling.
(4) Mount assembled coupling and gears in vise.
Place wood blocks between vise jaws and side gear and
clamp side gear firmly (fig.- 2D-2).
(5) Check engagement of clutch gear in viscous coupling.
Be sure gear Is fully engaged in coupling before
proceeding. If necessary, loosen vise and reposition wood
blocks so they support gear in coupling."
(6) Install rear' output shaft in viscous coupling (fig.
2D-2).
(7) Install yoke on rear output shaft and install
yoke retaining nut.
(8) Assemble and install socket and torque wrench
on yoke retaining nut (fig. 2D-2).
(9) Rotate rear output shaft using torque wrench
and measure torque required to rotate shaft in coupling.
(10) Torque - required to rotate shaft in coupling
should be minimum of 25 foot-pounds (34 N«m) torque.
(11) If rotating torque is less than specified, coupling
has malfunctioned. If torque is at or above specified
limit, coupling is in good condition.
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