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Title: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: craigp29690 on October 02, 2011, 10:03:14 PM
My original leather pillow top seats are shot.  Foam is gone, leather is shreded and it is more comfortable sitting on a bucket than on these old seats.  (http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/miatacp/1984%20AMC%20Eagle/1002111737.jpg)
So time for an upgrade.  I saw a almost nutmeg interiored Cherokee at the local pick-n-pull a few weeks ago and went and snatched the front seats and center console.  Started the modification process this weeked.  Of course the seat tracks are nowhere similar.  So some fabrication was necessary.  Two cross members had to be cut and installed so that the orignal power seat tracks could be reused.  (http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/miatacp/1984%20AMC%20Eagle/1001111305a.jpg)
Sorry but I liked the power option and since it works it just made sense to use it as-is.    (http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/miatacp/1984%20AMC%20Eagle/1001111330.jpg)
After the tracks were mounted the control n the side had to be located and mounted.  Fortuately the Cherokee had an opening in the metal part of the seat frame for its power seat control, unfortunately the opening was bigger so an interior bracket had to be cut in order to have something to screw the original seat controller to.  The plastic side trim piece had to be cut to clear the controller.  Evrything mounted and finished and installed.  Oh yeah, it's much more comfy now.(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/miatacp/1984%20AMC%20Eagle/1002111707.jpg)(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/miatacp/1984%20AMC%20Eagle/1002111708a.jpg)(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/miatacp/1984%20AMC%20Eagle/1002111708.jpg)
Next is to work on the passenger side which is going to take a bit of engineering since there is some major offset differences between the left and right tracks.
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: mick on October 03, 2011, 01:45:49 AM
Looks way more comty than the old beat down foam.  Well done!  With both fronts done it will look like AMC themselves put them there.
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: 83Eagle! on October 03, 2011, 07:23:51 AM
Very nicely done.  I was looking at a set of Cherokee seats before I bought the seats I have from Shanebo. 
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: craigp29690 on October 03, 2011, 10:47:09 AM
Thanks.  Once I get the passenger seat in then I'll work on the center console.  Ran out of daylight yesterday and realized the passenger seat is going to take a bit more work.    I'm used to the seats that have the side bolsters and felt like the original seats leave you sliding around with nothing to hang on to.  The new seats have a lot better feel.  I am planning on going back and snatching the rear seats just for the material if nothing else. 
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: eagleman on October 03, 2011, 11:37:08 AM
Looks like it has been there its whole life.Looks way more comfy also.Way to go guy!
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: mudkicker715 on October 03, 2011, 11:45:30 AM
I did that myself to my 84. Feels much better. How did you deal with the uneven floor? I mean how did you space it to bolt it down
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: craigp29690 on October 03, 2011, 01:00:48 PM
Quote from: mudkicker715 on October 03, 2011, 11:45:30 AM
I did that myself to my 84. Feels much better. How did you deal with the uneven floor? I mean how did you space it to bolt it down

The driver's side was pretty straight forward and didn't need any additional lift or offset.  Biggest issue was center-to-center dimension.  I used the original Eagle seat rails with some flat bar stock in between . 

For the passnger side it will require a 2 1/2" - 2 9/16" lift on the door side rail.  What I'm looking at doing is building an adjustable bracket out of two pieces of angle stock with a slot in the side to provide a vertical adjustment in order to be sure the seat is level.  I'll still have two pieces of flat bar stock running from side to side since the position of the Eagle rails don't line up with the positions of the Cherokeet seat rails.  I need to move the door side rail inward about 1 1/2" in order for the seat to sit adjacent to the door in the same position as stock and also for it to line up center-wise in the position.  The inside rail near the tranny hump will mount flush to the flat stock running between the bottom of the Cherokee seat rails.
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: mudkicker715 on October 03, 2011, 01:25:53 PM
I took the easy way out. I just use 2x4's to space the seat. It doesn't move, but since I'm the only one to drive who cares. Just bolted the seat where I wanted and done
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: craigp29690 on October 15, 2011, 10:51:25 PM
The passenger seat is now installed.  The only issue is the new seat base puts the seat a little higher than stock. 

Anyway, here are the steps.  Existing base needed a 3" lift added to to the outside rail to match the inside rail.  I added two cross pieces same as I did for the driver's side using some 3" wide x 1/8" flat bar stock. (http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/miatacp/1984%20AMC%20Eagle/1009111657.jpg)
Here is a pic of the fabricated channel pieces using two pieces of aluminum angle stock bolted together. 
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/miatacp/1984%20AMC%20Eagle/1009111657a.jpg)
Finished product ready to install using the stock slides.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/miatacp/1984%20AMC%20Eagle/1009111724.jpg)
Now after installing the seat it has become obvious that it needs to drop about an inch and a half to two inches.   I'm a little over 5'-10 and my head just barely brushes the ceiling.  So I can limit my front seat passengers to less than 5'-9 or pull the seat and make the adustments.  We'll see, but fornow it's done.  I realized that I didn't take a final installed pic.  Need to do that tomorrow.  I did go back to the pick-n-pull and pulled the back seat from the same Cherokee.  Haven't looked at what's going to work or not for that part of the conversion but I'd like for the front and rear seats to match.
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: GRONK on October 15, 2011, 11:08:44 PM
I have  found a matched set of 4 buckets that are lower profile than the Cherokee seats.  I'm thinking of making all 4 seats buckets w/ shoulder strap seat belts.

Has ANYONE added buckets to the rear of their Wagon?  I'd like to talk and see some pics.  I haven't bought the seats yet but they have fold down arm rests too.  They are thinner and might even allow for a thin center console up front and in the rear.  Maybe a media rail or something.  We'll see.

Here they are:
(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l543/ehrmannmp/EagleSeayMaybes.jpg)

(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l543/ehrmannmp/EagleSeayFoldingMaybes.jpg)

(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l543/ehrmannmp/EagleSeatBottomMaybes.jpg)
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: 83Eagle! on October 17, 2011, 08:47:08 AM
Nice work on the brackets.  I bet there will be others on here interested in specifics on that. 

Gronk, I remember someone mentioning looking into putting 4 bucket seats in an Eagle.  IIRC there was a spacing issue in the rear.  I can't find the link or remember who talked about it.
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: GRONK on October 17, 2011, 09:37:03 AM
@ 83Eagle!

Good to know.  I'm getting a pretty good deal on th seats so I think I will pick up 2 sets anyway and if I can't make them work in the rear I'll throw the second set in my Spitfire or something.  They are pretty low profile, I'm just worried about the hump in the middle spacing them too woide apart.
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: craigp29690 on October 17, 2011, 10:44:22 AM
Quote from: GRONK on October 17, 2011, 09:37:03 AM
@ 83Eagle!

Good to know.  I'm getting a pretty good deal on th seats so I think I will pick up 2 sets anyway and if I can't make them work in the rear I'll throw the second set in my Spitfire or something.  They are pretty low profile, I'm just worried about the hump in the middle spacing them too woide apart.
The original seats are quite a bit wider than newer seats so there will be a space in between the seats.  I had thought about doing buckets front and rear but then decided to stay with the rear bench.
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: GRONK on October 17, 2011, 11:11:25 AM
Dang, I was just getting ready to order the seats when a rearended 98 Cherokee came available for $1000.  That would give me a front axle, lift springs, a 5.2V-8 (for mt 97 TJ), etc......  I hate spending mad $$$ close to X-mas.  Momma will kill me.

So the question is:  seats or a nother donor vehicle?
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: eagleman on October 17, 2011, 06:08:45 PM
Well if momma is going to be mad anyway,Heck go for broke and do both! She can only kill ya once!!
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: GRONK on October 17, 2011, 07:18:48 PM
I guess I should add that Momma is a former Marine, policeman, Krav Maga instructor and currently owns a core strength gym.....
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: eagleman on October 17, 2011, 09:11:35 PM
Well in that case maybe you should try sumething like, Momma may I
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: GRONK on October 17, 2011, 10:28:50 PM
Sometimes it's easier to ask for forgiveness rather than permission....
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: Hawk258 on October 18, 2011, 04:55:36 AM
Ok... Thank you I was just mentioning this on an thread earlier, That makes putting new seats in SOOOOO much less complicated, Thank You. You should be egged a dozen times over for this. and request that this gets added to the "How to" manual for seats this saves a crap ton of headaches. PLEASE?
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: mr.mindless on February 15, 2012, 12:24:34 PM
Any new news on rear seat fitment?
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: craigp29690 on February 15, 2012, 01:06:38 PM
Quote from: mr.mindless on February 15, 2012, 12:24:34 PM
Any new news on rear seat fitment?
I went back and bought the rear seat.   The Cherokee rear seat is a bit wider than the Eagle and it is a two piece design.  There would need to be a lot of fabrication involved to use it directly even if it was the same width.   So I plant on looking towards using the fabric and recovering the Eagle rear seat to match.  However, right now it's not high on the priority list of things needing to be done.   I did happen to run across an older Cherokee, about 86-87 or so vintage, and the rear seat looked very similar in design to the Eagle.   So I need to take some measurements of the Eagle with me next time I'm at the junk yard to see if the old Kee would be a direct fit or not.
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: mr.mindless on February 15, 2012, 03:27:46 PM
Figured it would be too good to be true.

I think I may try to cruise the bone yard next weekend with the Eagle and see what looks close. I have a friend with a set of right color XJ buckets for the front at least. Then I'll be digging for a center console that fits-ish...

If you give a mouse a cookie....!
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: craigp29690 on February 15, 2012, 09:02:16 PM
Quote from: mr.mindless on February 15, 2012, 03:27:46 PM
Figured it would be too good to be true.

I think I may try to cruise the bone yard next weekend with the Eagle and see what looks close. I have a friend with a set of right color XJ buckets for the front at least. Then I'll be digging for a center console that fits-ish...

If you give a mouse a cookie....!
Don't waste your money on the cherokee center console.  It's too wide.  What I found that fit really well was the center console from a 2003 Saturn Vue.  It was the right length and height.  Too many consoles enclose the shifter on cars and most FWD cars have the shifter farther away from the dash then our Eagles.  Plus they are offset and don't line up.  I wanted cup holders and simple storage.  The Vue also provided rear cup holders out of the same unit and a rear auxilliary power outlet.  For $12 it was a great deal.
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: mr.mindless on February 15, 2012, 09:55:39 PM
No maroon Vues out there though, I'll have to go a wee bit older if I want to stay color consistent - which I do since everything but the seats and sagged headliner are mint.
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: doc65 on February 15, 2012, 09:57:57 PM
CraigP,

Just to be clear for someone reading this thread that may not be familiar with all the different Cherokees & their seats, the ones that you installed the buckets from are a Grand Cherokee(ZJ, 93-98) right?  Yours look like about a 95-96 time frame as my 96 ZJ has those seats, but in charcoal, none of the seats I've had in my  std. Cherokees (XJ) has had those seats.  
Title: Re: Cherokee Seat replacement-War Wagon
Post by: craigp29690 on February 17, 2012, 06:58:29 PM
Shot of the completed installation from passenger side.  Saturn Vue center console.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/miatacp/1984%20AMC%20Eagle/0217121551-1.jpg)

From the rear, showing rear cup holders.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/miatacp/1984%20AMC%20Eagle/0217121550a.jpg)

Another fron passenger side shot
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/miatacp/1984%20AMC%20Eagle/0217121550.jpg)

For the record, I can't remember exactly what year model Cherokee these came out of.