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Offline framedoctor

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Bad ground
« on: July 07, 2023, 05:34:57 PM »
If anyone has experience with bad ground, any info on how it was resolved or where it was found would be greatly appreciated. If I turn headlights or blower on, the gauges pin out.

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Re: Bad ground
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2023, 06:35:05 PM »
I checked, re checked and re checked all the grounds. Replaced what looked questionable. Then I rewired the headlights with relays, so they would draw power directly from the battery. Not because of the dashboard lights dimming. The big problem I was having was the low beams were not bright enough and I didn’t want all that power going through the headlight switch causing it to over heat and potentially burn out or cause a electrical fire.
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Re: Bad ground
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2023, 06:57:58 PM »
Well the blower motor is case grounded (has its own ground), so I don't think it's a ground problem.  What does it mean, the gauges 'pin out?'  Do they stop working?  What do the instrument cluster lights do?  More information please.

If you have a test light or multimeter, it will help a lot.
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Re: Bad ground
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2023, 04:44:58 PM »
The main engine-to-body strap failed on me once. Because the ignition system and the computer grounds through the block the engine ran but when you applied loads through the body (EG: the headlights or brake lights) it would try and ground itself through anything it could find back to the engine, such as through the rear diff, the driveshaft, the T-case and transmission and finally the engine. It also tries to backfeed through the temperature sender and for example you stomp on the brake the gauge pegs.

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Re: Bad ground
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2023, 10:27:53 PM »
Thank you for the response. I did replace engine to body strap with a heavy duty battery cable. I actually thought it fixed the issue but the issue soon returned.

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Re: Bad ground
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2023, 10:29:48 PM »
So when I say pin out what happens is all the gauge needles move fully clockwise to max position.

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Re: Bad ground
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2023, 06:59:58 AM »
Check the ground on the firewall in the engine bay between the back of the motor and the brake booster.

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Re: Bad ground
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2023, 08:11:19 PM »
I know that is one that I removed and sanded and reattached. I was in fact moving wires around in that area the other day and the problem temporarily was gone. Maybe the ground wire to that spot is cracked enough to cause issue?

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Re: Bad ground
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2023, 09:46:46 PM »
If you were moving them a round and the problem got better, temporarily. It could be that there is a bad wire in the harness somewhere. Possibly a housing that hardened from heat and allowed water/moisture in causing corrosion. When I did my ECM Test bypass I checked all the wires for insulation hardness and any corrosion on any connections. If I recall, it took me at least a week working a couple hours a day to check all of them. I always double and usually triple check my work.
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Re: Bad ground
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2023, 05:59:18 PM »
I have had good luck using jumper cables to find bad engine/body grounds.  Just put one set from body to engine, and the other from engine to battery.  If the problem goes away, you're barking up the right tree.

You can also use a test light in kind of the same way.  If it lights up from body to engine, that ground would be suspect.
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Re: Bad ground
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2023, 06:20:08 PM »
Good news, problem found. At some point, someone removed the ground wire from the ground stud behind the brake assist and moved it to a spot with a self-tapping screw. It was getting an intermittent connection. I had to add length to the wire and reattach it to the stud. all is good.

Thank you to everyone who helped with suggestions. Mips, Canoe, Taylor, Trader, Illeagle, Trooper

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Re: Bad ground
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2023, 07:03:47 PM »
Great to hear you found the problem!  And that is a really beautiful Eagle!
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Re: Bad ground
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2023, 08:06:30 PM »
Thanks for the update.
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