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Title: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on July 12, 2012, 06:33:03 PM: I stopped driving the SX/4 shortly after the rear spring popped through the floor. This was patched but other areas of rust concerned me enough to pull it from the road and place it in storage. College, jobs, a lack of time, space, tooling and skill have kept me from me finishing this project. Now I may be ready.

Its time to get the old bird back on the road again.

As it sits right now:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/IMG_0353.jpg)
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: Prafeston on July 12, 2012, 06:52:44 PM: This should be fun! :)
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on July 12, 2012, 09:42:25 PM: Sheet metal parts donor: a 1979 Spirit
(Don't mind the blocking, we were switching trailers)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/2011-09-17113609.jpg)
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: TheWraith on July 13, 2012, 06:55:30 AM: Pretty cool project...want to know more.

What kind of rear axle is that in the first pic? Full floater??

What kind of engine are you screwing together for it? Tranny? TC?
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: rohnk on July 13, 2012, 09:27:05 AM: Looks like a good project in the works. is that a Dana 35 rear end? I see it has calipers on it so my guess is you are planning to upgrade you brakes and go four wheel calipers. You may need to change your master cylinder too, at least that is what I get from reading other posts.

Welcome back and have fun!
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on July 13, 2012, 01:59:32 PM: The original rear is a D35, the one behind the car is an 8.8 out of an Explorer w/ 3.73 ratio. This is getting re-geared w/ 3.08 so I don't have to open the front.

The engine is a 4.0 stroked to a 4.6 and bored out .30 over. Forged pistons, s/s valves, roller rockers, etc... There should be a post on here somewhere for the build of it.

Trans is an AX-15.

I have a hydro boost system for the brakes, it will be four wheel disc, IIRC ~~Volvo~~ Sport Trac rotors/calipers are used for the Big Brake kit.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: eaglefreek on July 13, 2012, 03:16:55 PM: Quote from: cyclops231 on July 13, 2012, 01:59:32 PM
, IIRC Volvo rotors/calipers are used for the Big Brake kit.

More details pleeeease.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on July 13, 2012, 06:35:41 PM: I have to go back into my files to find details on the brake upgrades. I have a bunch of research into what would fit from when Vanco was developing the big brake kit for Jeep Cherokees (which is basically the same setup)

Edit:
I went back into my files and it looks like its 2002 Ford Explorer Sport Trac that offers 12" x 1" rotors and dual piston calipers. Still not sure about the Volvo stuff but the S40 offers an 11" rotors and has a 5x4.5 bolt pattern but they upgrade to Focus ST stuff (in the UK)
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: eaglefreek on July 13, 2012, 09:10:24 PM: I'm assuming this is for the front? Are you making custom brackets or did you get some from Vanco? I looked at the Vanco kit and it is for 90+ YJ's and XJ's and includes a new knuckle which we can't use on the IFS. We share calipers with the pre 90 YJ's and XJ's. I'd love to see what you have figured out.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: txjeeptx on July 14, 2012, 01:05:44 AM: Man, I thougth I'd posted a response to your reappearance - coinciding with my first visit back to the Nest since May, and the decision to start working on my SX/4 - as an interesting coincidence, but I guess I didn't post. Good luck, hope your car has survived storage better than mine has. I've forgotten where I left off, and the brakes have gone to rust. It seems most of my original build postings have disappeared from here, too. I'll be watching what you do with yours while I bring mine back to life.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: Prafeston on July 14, 2012, 01:20:11 AM: Txjeep you probably commented on his welcome back thread. This is his project thread.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on July 14, 2012, 08:03:27 PM: Quote from: eaglefreek on July 13, 2012, 09:10:24 PM
I'm assuming this is for the front? Are you making custom brackets or did you get some from Vanco? I looked at the Vanco kit and it is for 90+ YJ's and XJ's and includes a new knuckle which we can't use on the IFS. We share calipers with the pre 90 YJ's and XJ's. I'd love to see what you have figured out.

The big difference between the Jeeps and the Eagles front brakes is the caliper mount. On Jeeps the mount is cast into the knuckle, this needs to be cut off and machined for adapters. The Eagle already has this done so it only needs adapter brackets made (usually just a plate with some holes). I plan on making the plates for this since I have a milling machine and lathe at my studio (www.FranksKitchens.org (http://www.FranksKitchens.org)) in Philadelphia.

Quote from: txjeeptx on July 14, 2012, 01:05:44 AM
decision to start working on my SX/4 - as an interesting coincidence
^- awesome

BTW I'm working on video updates, there may be a slight lag between this post and them (but it'll be worth it)

Some interesting comparisons between the SX/4 and Spirit body:
SX/4 Spirit

inside:
differences in the transmission tunnel
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/Inside.jpg)

Rear (under):
differences in bump stop, stamping and seat belt location
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/Rearunder.jpg)

Engine Bay:
difference in wiper motor mount and fire wall stamping (holes just right of trans tunnel)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/EngineBay.jpg)

Inside Rear
same
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/InsideRear.jpg)

Inside Side:
differences in rear floor stamping, specifically seat belt mounts and trans tunnel (see rear under)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/InsideSide.jpg)

Rear Wheel Well
differences being added reinforcement
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/Wheelwell.jpg)
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: captspillane on July 14, 2012, 09:49:34 PM: Some of the differences you've found are also differences between a 1979 and a 1982 Spirit. I own one of both and they are dramatically different. When SX4s and Spirits were in production together they were made almost exactly the same except for the transmission tunnel.

The 1980 Eagles had the same square wiper motor as a 1979 Spirit. 1981 Eagles and Spirits all had the newer wiper motor.

Another major difference in my 1979 Spirit AMX is an air cleaner tunnel that literally goes through the passenger side subframe below the battery. Craziness.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on December 28, 2012, 01:20:49 AM: Video!!!
I'm no cinematographer but I'll try to keep the videos short and somewhat entertaining.

First one is up on youtube, I'll be getting into some techniques on sheet metal replacement and hopefully getting some timelapse of the build while its at FranksKitchens.org (http://FranksKitchens.org) (my studio space). Currently both bodies are stripped and ready for some intense metal work so I've got a lot of catching up to do on posts. Until then here's EP1:

AMC Eagle Build: Ep1: Joe vs The Hornets
http://youtu.be/KfTRDrVkLVA (http://youtu.be/KfTRDrVkLVA)
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on March 26, 2013, 12:15:00 PM: The body is almost done
Photo updates coming ~~today~~ ~~tonight~~ Now

Stripped and ready to transport (12/14/12):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000839.jpg)

Bringing into the studio (12/15/12):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000861.jpg)

1st area to fix, Passenger side frame rail and Battery Tray

Doesn't look too bad...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000949.jpg)

Cut the rust out
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000951.jpg)

Attempted using Evapo-Rust,
It was way too cold, didn't sit long enough, and the pump eventually died.
Despite all of this it worked fairly well
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/148529_10151213946496608_2129964215_n.jpg)

Weld thru Primer to coat the seams
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000957.jpg)

Formed some 14ga to replace the rusted pc, drilled holes for the plug welds and test fit
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000959.jpg)

Clampity clamp
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000960.jpg)

Weld it in. Mig for plugs, Tig for seam
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000962.jpg)

Then onto the battery tray
Old tray:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000965.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000966.jpg)

Patching the one in "better shape" (it really wasn't)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000964-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000967.jpg)

Test fit
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000968.jpg)

Looks good
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000969-1.jpg)

weld, weld, weld, grind flush and...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000975.jpg)

Next step replacing the drivers side frame rail and floor:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010007.jpg)
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: jonb8 on March 27, 2013, 07:34:42 AM: Great work....I love unibody's, there's really nothing you can't replace/fix. I just hate how my welder welds when I'm underneath.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: eaglefreek on March 27, 2013, 09:24:41 AM: Impressive!
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: rollguy on March 27, 2013, 11:25:22 AM: Looks like a similar project to Priya's SX4. A lot of metal replacing and rust repair. Looks like a fun project, and we will be watching it closely. Keep the great photos coming!!!
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: priya on March 27, 2013, 01:17:35 PM: That's some fine looking metal work. I love seeing a rusty car being fixed up right. These are more extensive repairs than what I needed to do.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: ISOAR on March 27, 2013, 03:51:37 PM: I'm impressed! Nice work!
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on March 27, 2013, 05:42:52 PM: Almost forgot this little spot on the Passenger side
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000973.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000972.jpg)

Cut out
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000976.jpg)

14ga
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000977.jpg)

*Missing photos* Think my camera died or I left for the night or something. This was finished though

FRAME RAIL!
I looked over the mostly rust free 1979 4cyl Spirit body and thought about what a nice car it probably was at one time. Then thought about how rare a 4cyl spirit probably is, never being at a show, especially in Metallic green. That's when I squeezed down the trigger of my plasma torch, shot an inch long spark of blue light out the tip, and proceeded to cut through everything that was holding that amazingly rust free frame rail into the shell.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/P1000983.jpg)

Success!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000997.jpg)

Back to the studio with this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1000991.jpg)

The Eagles floor and rail was pretty bad, probably caused by a combo of leaking brake and clutch lines through out the years, or at least since I've owned it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010004.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010003-1.jpg)

During the mock-up I found out the frame rails are different
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010076-1.jpg)

so I went on to patch the replacement floor panel.
Removing the floor from a... ummm... nother Eagle that may have been in better shape. (If you noticed 2 different black battery trays that was some foreshadowing)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010009.jpg)

87 spot welds, I remember each one well
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010010.jpg)

Some 19ga, Torch welding this in so I can planish it smooth
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010080.jpg)

Done. Just going to set that off to the side for a bit
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010092.jpg)

Back to the Frame Rail

Decided the best way to make it work was use the back half of the Spirit rail and inner support but cut it forward of the shock tower. Then weld in the front of the Eagles. Add a weld nut inside where the Eagle's Front cross member bolts up, add a weld nut that goes to some mystery part and drill a hole/add a weld nut for the manual trans cross member. This took a while to think up how to approach so here goes:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010112.jpg)

Lining up the Eagle sheet metal
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010115.jpg)

Better view:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010116.jpg)

Clamps!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010120.jpg)

Test fit #1 (it wouldn't stay in place)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010122.jpg)

Test fit #2 (used the old "conduit in an alignment hole" trick)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010125.jpg)

More clamps!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010126.jpg)

Even more clamps!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010131.jpg)

and... a few more on top of that
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010135.jpg)

Lots of welding and grinding and call it good enough.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010198.jpg)

Next.... Onto the ~~Floors!~~ Rockers! <- getting ahead of myself with the floor even though it was mostly cut out while patching the rail. Someone told me when you're doing rust repair do inner rocker, outer rocker, then floor. It'll save having to go back over work.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: eaglefreek on March 27, 2013, 09:21:32 PM: I'm speechless. :eyepopping:
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on March 27, 2013, 09:39:36 PM: It gets better ;)
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: mach1mustang351 on March 27, 2013, 11:31:43 PM: Wow. Now I feel like a turd for not puttign in more effort on my SX4... you win
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: Baskinator on March 29, 2013, 08:55:27 PM: Please tell me you finished the thing and are just teasing us with awesome metal work. Can't wait to see what could be "better"!
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on March 30, 2013, 11:45:28 AM: It's not done yet but it's getting there. I'll try to put up another post tonight when I'm back at the house.

Next update will be drivers side rocker and floor install. I ended up reshaping the floor to fit the AX-15 and NP242 combo, lowered the seat 1" and added a high/low z-gate 4wd selector from a Cherokee.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: Baskinator on March 30, 2013, 04:37:17 PM: Now you've really got my attention. I am very interested in putting an NP242 with a Cherokee shifter in my Eagle as well, eager to see what you came up with.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on March 30, 2013, 11:26:49 PM: Driver side rocker
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010171.jpg)

Cut out the rust and took a look inside, the rest of it looks to be in pretty good shape so I'll only be patching the front.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010173.jpg)

Total area that's getting patched. Inner rocker is already done here.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010199.jpg)

*Missing photos*

Onto the Floor and Trans tunnel!
Comparison between AX-15 (top) and T-5 (bottom)
note the difference in length, the AX-15 is about 3" longer
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/601390_10151345391016608_751671150_n.jpg)

Comparison between an NP-242 (top) and NP-129 (bottom)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/482389_10151345391031608_807331500_n.jpg)

Fitting the floor and shifter, The transfer case sits a little further back. I cut out the floor to see how much room was needed, flipped a section over to lower the seat 1" (planning for some future stuff), ended up shaving town the transfer care a little to get more clearance. I'll be using the Novark transfer case cable or making something similar.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010210.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010220.jpg)

Test fitting the seat
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010223.jpg)

Seat clearance
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010224.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010225.jpg)

The new floor, Back angled section is completely new and moved back 1", seat area was lowered 1", Cherokee z-gate shifter added and drivers floor patched in.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010232.jpg)
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: Baskinator on March 30, 2013, 11:54:13 PM: I hope you can still see out the windshield, that seat looks awfully low. Real nice job with the shifter, looks like it could've been stock (except that it probably doesn't leave enough room for the stock seats). Do you have a plan for the speedometer? I forget if the back half of the 129 fits for the gear. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: mach1mustang351 on March 31, 2013, 12:53:41 AM: Awesome progress.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: jonb8 on March 31, 2013, 09:22:58 AM: Great work, It's odd that the NP 129 is that much bigger than the Np 231. I'm leaning more to changing the floor with my unibody swap, expecially when I see what it takes to get the stock transfer shifter to work.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on March 31, 2013, 10:01:12 AM: Quote from: Baskinator on March 30, 2013, 11:54:13 PM
I hope you can still see out the windshield, that seat looks awfully low. Real nice job with the shifter, looks like it could've been stock (except that it probably doesn't leave enough room for the stock seats). Do you have a plan for the speedometer? I forget if the back half of the 129 fits for the gear. Keep up the good work.

The seat will be raised up about 1"when the frame goes under it. I'm trying to keep it as low as possible to keep the roll bar as far away as possible. Windshield visibility doesn't look to be a problem.

The transfer case still has a spot for the speed-o gear but uses a digital one. My understanding is if you want a digital you keep it stock, If you want a cable you swap in the stock one. The pickup looks to be the same setup as the 90's Dodge Dakota so I'll probably get the electronics from one in a local yard and fit it into the dash. This will also give road speed to the megasquirt setup.

Quote from: mach1mustang351 on March 31, 2013, 12:53:41 AM
Awesome progress.

Thanks!

Quote from: jonb8 on March 31, 2013, 09:22:58 AM
Great work, It's odd that the NP 129 is that much bigger than the Np 231. I'm leaning more to changing the floor with my unibody swap, especially when I see what it takes to get the stock transfer shifter to work.

I'll see if I can get a photo of all 4 soon, There should be a 119, 129, 231, 242 sitting around here. Those photos were a compare of the 119 (1980/81 eagle) and 242 (96? Cherokee). The 231 should be about the same size as the 119/129.

There is a lot of debate over 231 vs 242 strength. According to NP the 1st number designates speed, 2nd number is strength, and 3rd is 4wd type.

So the 242 should be stronger, it also is a little unique since it has, 2wd,4wd pt, 4wd ft, N and 4wd lo. This should make it better for on/off road use. The one down side is it'll require a custom drive shaft since it has a slip yoke.

A good ref on this s-10 forum
http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f221/new-process-transfer-cases-decoded-435029/ (http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f221/new-process-transfer-cases-decoded-435029/)
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: Baskinator on March 31, 2013, 02:16:57 PM: The extra 3" from your AX15 probably cancels out this option, but talk to Captspillane on here about the rear driveshaft. He somehow fitted a pipe around the driveshaft to limit the travel, which allowed him to use it for his 242 without any problems.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on March 31, 2013, 03:32:13 PM: I'll probably end up using an aluminum shaft from a mustang orminvana and cut it down to fit. The drive shaft slip eliminateor is a good solution but with everything else I'm doing I'd rather just make a straight one to fit then get it balanced.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: jonb8 on April 01, 2013, 05:53:53 AM: A xj driveshaft should work for you since the wheelbase is less than a xj, you'll just have to cut it down. What rear ax;le you gonna run?
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: Baskinator on April 01, 2013, 09:53:07 AM: The SX/4 wheelbase is shorter than an XJ by about 4 inches, an Eagle wagon is longer.

Edit: Oops, misread your post. Still, he would have to cut it down either way.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on April 01, 2013, 01:01:14 PM: Quote from: jonb8 on April 01, 2013, 05:53:53 AM
What rear ax;le you gonna run?

I'm running an 8.8 out of an explorer w/ 3.08 gears. The setup has 31 spline shafts, disk brakes, and retains the stock bolt pattern.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: jonb8 on April 02, 2013, 09:00:45 AM: 8.8 is a great rear axle, we use them alot with the jeeps. One thing I don't like is the T in the drivers side rubber line so I alway's grab another pass side rubber when I'm at the pick and pull so it works with are factory rubber line. I just finished putting one in a MJ last weekend, remember you'll gain a inch of lift in the rear just from tube diameter.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on April 02, 2013, 10:31:16 PM: I'm actually considering doing a triangulated 4 link setup (Satchell link). If for some reason this doesn't happen I'll be flipping the springs to under the axle. A few years ago a custom set was made for the car but they always rode high. Flipping the mount should drop it back to factory, but it'll probably end up as a 4-link with the ride height somewhere in between
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: TheWraith on April 03, 2013, 07:26:33 AM: Quote from: cyclops231 on March 31, 2013, 10:01:12 AM
...
So the 242 should be stronger, it also is a little unique since it has, 2wd,4wd pt, 4wd ft, N and 4wd lo. This should make it better for on/off road use. The one down side is it'll require a custom drive shaft since it has a slip yoke.
...

This:
http://www.go.jeep-xj.info/HowtoSYEconversion.htm (http://www.go.jeep-xj.info/HowtoSYEconversion.htm)

The gentleman mentioned in the article that has made some seal adapters (that uses the factory np242 seal) sold me one at a very reasonable price. He was very nice to work with and didn't mind trading emails and entertaining my questions. You're obviously an accomplished fabricator, so getting the np242 output shaft turned down, drilled, and tapped should not be a problem for you.

The yoke might seem a little pricey but in comparison to other SYE kits I believe this is a good margin.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: Baskinator on April 03, 2013, 11:03:38 AM: That is a really cool write up, I didn't even realize a SYE could be made for the 242. Would that increase the length, or is the double cardon joint not necessary in this application?
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on May 19, 2013, 03:42:26 PM: I'm just going to leave it a slip yoke.

Back to build progress!
Passenger Side Rockers

A little re-patching on this side, cutting out the old patch
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010233.jpg)

New pc, did this in two sections since I didn't have a rocker section big enough to cover the entire area.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010262.jpg)

Rear rocker
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010263.jpg)

O, hello rust! So this is where you were hiding.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010265.jpg)

Cleaned up a little
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010268.jpg)

Little more cleaning up
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010282.jpg)

Then I realized its all just layered rust and Everything must go!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010310.jpg)

New tabs
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010313.jpg)

patched in the back rocker
*Missing photos*
Then patched in the front
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010325.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010326.jpg)

Onto the Floor!

Cleared out everything with rust on it
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010330.jpg)

New front floor section
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010333.jpg)

Realized I forgot to replace the broken/rusted out strut rod bolt. Split the floor, ground out the pc, then welded in the new one.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010352.jpg)

Fully Welded in
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010357.jpg)

Welded in the other section
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010363.jpg)

Moving onto lowering the passenger seat
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010365.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010366.jpg)

This little patch:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010368.jpg)
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on May 20, 2013, 10:56:10 PM: Onto subframe connectors and the rear floor!

Stumbled across this which may go in:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/IMAG0988.jpg)

But First:
Tape it out
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4//P1010374.jpg)

Then mochup of the connector
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4//P1010376.jpg)

Steel sides in place
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4//P1010378.jpg)

Weld Weld Weld and fin...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4//P1010390.jpg)

This is what the underside looks like:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4//P1010389.jpg)
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: priya on May 22, 2013, 12:52:37 PM: Way to go Cyclops! I'm impressed by your determination and will.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on May 22, 2013, 09:40:06 PM: Quote from: priya on May 22, 2013, 12:52:37 PM
Way to go Cyclops! I'm impressed by your determination and will.

Thanks! I'm trying to have all the rust repair done by June 1st. It's close... so... close...
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: rollguy on May 23, 2013, 01:55:25 AM: Quote from: cyclops231 on May 20, 2013, 10:56:10 PM
Onto subframe connectors and the rear floor!

Stumbled across this which may go in:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/IMAG0988.jpg)

What is this and where is it going?
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on May 23, 2013, 10:25:42 AM: What is this and where is it going?
[/quote]

That is a bolt in Satchel style 4-link w/ subframe connector for 65-70 Mustang. It's not a direct bolt in but can be made to fit fairly easily.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: rollguy on May 23, 2013, 10:39:34 AM: Quote from: cyclops231 on May 23, 2013, 10:25:42 AM

What is this and where is it going?

That is a bolt in Satchel style 4-link w/ subframe connector for 65-70 Mustang. It's not a direct bolt in but can be made to fit fairly easily.
[/quote]
After posting my question, I went back and studied it a little further and thought that is what it might be.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on May 28, 2013, 09:15:52 PM: Finishing the connectors
Cleaned up:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/P1010390.jpg)

Making the floors
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/P1010422.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/P1010428.jpg)

Trim, Weld, Grind and done:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/P1010392.jpg)

Top view:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/P1010393.jpg)

Onto the Drivers Side
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/P1010395.jpg)

Same Process
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/P1010406.jpg)
Finished:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/IMAG1056.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/P1010434.jpg)

Underside:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/IMAG1059.jpg)
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on May 28, 2013, 11:05:08 PM: They say save the best for last. So as the last panel that needs any replacement I present to you this can of worms known at the rear hatch/trunk.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/P1010435.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/P1010436.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/P1010437.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/P1010433.jpg)

I can only hope that this rust is actually some strange red/brown mud that preserves steel.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: Whuntmore on May 29, 2013, 12:57:26 AM: Excellent work there Cyclops! I'm enjoying this project.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: jonb8 on May 30, 2013, 05:31:36 AM: Your fab skills are wicked good..
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: Billman on May 30, 2013, 10:54:08 AM: What turbo are you planning on? Where do you plan on putting it? I've been watching your thread and am quite impressed so far. Are you looking at retrofitting something that can be found in a junk yard?
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: SpreadEagle on May 30, 2013, 06:45:48 PM: Very nice looking.. Come weld my car!!!!

I don't weld..
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: Amc1320 on May 30, 2013, 08:30:06 PM: Wow great job, enjoying keeping up with your progress!

Spread eagle if I can weld you can weld! My welds are UGLY, but that's why they make black spray paint and undercoating!
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on May 30, 2013, 08:52:33 PM: Quote from: Billman on May 30, 2013, 10:54:08 AM
What turbo are you planning on? Where do you plan on putting it? I've been watching your thread and am quite impressed so far. Are you looking at retrofitting something that can be found in a junk yard?

I have a Garrett TT3/T4 60trim set aside for it.
It will be going where the washer bottle and coolant overflow are located, they get relocated to the Battery box area and the battery goes in the back. There was an entire write up/post covering the engine build but it's gone now :(

Quote from: SpreadEagle on May 30, 2013, 06:45:48 PM
I don't weld..

Everyone who does started sometime

Quote from: Amc1320 on May 30, 2013, 08:30:06 PM
Wow great job, enjoying keeping up with your progress!

Spread eagle if I can weld you can weld! My welds are UGLY, but that's why they make black spray paint and undercoating!

Thanks! I'm happy to share it.
Most "ugly welds" are caused by too low of a heat setting, too high of a wire speed or being too far away from the material. After I'm through patching this last section I may post up a video on welding. I have a lot of content from this build but it takes forever to edit it down to something watchable.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: Baskinator on May 30, 2013, 11:16:59 PM: What I found when doing repairs on my Eagle was that it wasn't so much the welding that was difficult, but more so fabricating the patches. Especially considering an English wheel, metal brake, and other fab tools are extremely expensive for only personal use. I had to get by with just a hammer and a vice lol.

Keep up the excellent work man!
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on May 31, 2013, 04:09:15 PM: Quote from: Baskinator on May 30, 2013, 11:16:59 PM
What I found when doing repairs on my Eagle was that it wasn't so much the welding that was difficult, but more so fabricating the patches. Especially considering an English wheel, metal brake, and other fab tools are extremely expensive for only personal use. I had to get by with just a hammer and a vice lol.

Keep up the excellent work man!

Honestly, most of the time I'm using just a hammer, dolly and 2x4 cut off. Don't have a brake, just use some angle iron clamped down to the table, clamp a pc on top sandwiching the sheet and work it with a dead blow.
The english wheel is nice for pre-stretching before is goes into the bead roller but other than that I don't really use it. Need a soft dolly? get a block of pine. Need a harder one? get a block of oak. Need even harder to stretch the metal? chunk of smooth steel in the approx shape will do. Before getting all the equipment I would just make tooling (still do sometimes) for the beads, then hammer by hand with a wood backing. Basically the only things you really need are a hammer, a vice, idea of what you want and patience. Everything else is nice to have but doesn't always make it easier.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on June 04, 2013, 03:15:39 PM: 1st thing is to remove the rear panel
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010438-1.jpg)

Cur out the floor
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010440.jpg)

ehh... no Bueno
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010441.jpg)

Let's start on the other side
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010442.jpg)

clamp in the replacement, weld
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010447.jpg)

done
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010449.jpg)

Back to the other side
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010450.jpg)

I suggest everyone with an SX/4 check these spring mounts. The drives side rotted through and the spring popped through the floor while I was driving. I patched it but ultimately it lead me to park the car because of structural concerns. This side was close to going soon.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010451.jpg)

better
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010455.jpg)

Patched
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/cyclops231/SX-4/P1010457.jpg)

Now only the floor needs to be fitted and welding in and reweld that back panel in place.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: priya on June 07, 2013, 12:43:51 PM: My hero! You truly are the rust repair champ. Way to go guy!
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: Billman on April 13, 2014, 07:46:33 PM: Anything new on this project?
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: eaglefreek on April 13, 2014, 08:03:53 PM: He's been posting his progress over at the Evolution website.
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: Billman on April 14, 2014, 09:22:25 PM: Thank U
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: cyclops231 on January 21, 2022, 07:26:02 PM: I'm still alive, cars been on hold for (checks watch) 10 years? jeeze....

I've built myself a little metalworking business so i don't have to go somewhere to weld things.
Photobucket changed a bunch of rules so I don't know if my photos will stay up or not.
anyhow.... here's the engine:

https://photobucket.com/u/cyclops231/p/1c95e750-2e75-45ce-8df1-008cede74690 (https://photobucket.com/u/cyclops231/p/1c95e750-2e75-45ce-8df1-008cede74690)
https://photobucket.com/u/cyclops231/p/e60ca216-2c3d-49e5-b0ef-5d957f3a9d42 (https://photobucket.com/u/cyclops231/p/e60ca216-2c3d-49e5-b0ef-5d957f3a9d42)
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: juhap on January 22, 2022, 03:57:11 AM: Can´t see pics... it is that photubucket-thing...

Use this (http://add here the photobucket http) to wiew pics...
Title: Re: Project: 1982 SX/4 Turbo Stroker
Post by: Taylor on January 23, 2022, 09:04:23 AM: I can’t see the pictures either. I stopped using their service a few years ago. You can load them directly to the forums using the link “attachments and other options” below where you write your post.