AMC Eagle Den Forum
The Shop => Suspension, Steering, Brakes, Wheels & Tires => Topic started by: 4hammond on November 18, 2013, 08:36:05 PM
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Alright I have the eagle now I want to put new shoes on her. I am looking at a new set of rims and tire. I will be keeping her and my boy wants it for his fist car in 4 years.
I like the BFG MT in a 215-75-15 Has anyone used that size tire on a stock setup. For rims I am looking for something cool but most of the stuff I like is in a 8" wide rim. I will be putting new front slings in from ESPO and looking for a set of new rear leafs but not from them as I have read nothing good on here about their leafs
Any words of encouragement before making a decision.
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I have 215-75-15 tires, on Grand Cherokee 15 x 7 wheels. I haven't had any problems with the fit or rubbing. I have the original springs all around, which aren't sagging too much.
I am currently looking at some 16 x 8 wheels, and will probably go with something like 215-70-15 tires.
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I am currently looking at some 16 x 8 wheels, and will probably go with something like 215-70-15 tires.
You might have a bit of a problem mounting the tires.
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I am currently looking at some 16 x 8 wheels, and will probably go with something like 215-70-15 tires.
You might have a bit of a problem mounting the tires.
Doh!!!! 215-70-16
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Im running Tiger Paw 215/70/15 tires on Jeep wrangler "canyon" wheels
I added 1" wheel spacers to the rear so I could put the center caps on and make it line up right. Eagles are 1" narrower in the rear stock.
I do have some helper springs on the rear shocks and some spring spacers on the front coils to level it out nicely. Stock springs still
Did have a slight rub until I replaces the front strut rod bushings and got it aligned, now no rub
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s614/Amc1320/0316131130_zpsf64cd62d.jpg) (http://s1308.photobucket.com/user/Amc1320/media/0316131130_zpsf64cd62d.jpg.html)
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That looks great.
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I am having a heck of a time tring to find a nice aftermarket rim in a 7" so I can run a 215-75-15 everything is 8" and a 3.75 offset. I have been told that I cant fit a 215-75 on a 8" wide rim needs to 7" or less. if I go 8" wide with a 3.75 offset it will make the tires stick out 1.75 in or more. Any help I was looking for a rim something like
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/WheelCloseUpServlet?target=wheelCloseUp&wheelMake=Method&wheelModel=NV&wheelFinish=Machined+w%2FBlack+Accent&tab=wheels
Or
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/WheelCloseUpServlet?target=wheelCloseUp&wheelMake=Ultra+Motorsports+Xtreme&wheelModel=Xtreme+X-Lok&wheelFinish=Black+w%2FMach+Lip&tab=wheels
With a set of aggressive looking tires MT or AT
Any thoughts :banghead:
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Have you seen some of the tires the stanced scene is putting on super wide rims? I'd think a 215 could be stretched a bit to fit the 8in...or just up it to a 225...
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I'm worried that it may rub a lot if I go 225 and leave stock height.
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You can cut the inner flares to allow no rubbing and it does not effect the outward appearance of the car.
Capt has a writeup on it. Couldn't find the one here on the Den, but here it is on the EVO forum.
http://forums.amcevolution.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1180
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Thanks may have to go 225 if that won't rub
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If you go to tirerack and search for wheels for a 94 (or similar year) Grand Cherokee, then you can filter out for 15" wheels, and they have several with a larger backspacing. And if you have to go with an 8" wheel and wider tire you could cut the tire ratio down to a 70 or 65 to try and avoid rubbing.
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I found this website that gives recommended wheel width for different tire sizes. It looks like 215's should generally be used on 6-7.5" wheels, 225 can be used on 6-8" wheels.
http://customwheelsmarket.com/rimwheelwidth1.html
Have you looked at any of the higher offset wheels? I understand that the Grand Cherokee wheels I've been using are 15x7 with a 5.25" backspace, and they work well. If you do the math and work backwards, a 7" wheel with a 38 mm offset should have a 5" backspace. As someone noted in another thread though, actual offsets/backspacing may vary from what is advertised, so its important to actually have someone measure the backspace.
Good luck, I'm wanting to upgrade my wheels also, so I'll be interested to see if you find something that is going to work for you.
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I found another sight with lots of wheels. If you like the classic 5 spoke look, this set might be good, 15x7 with some positive offsets available:
http://www.vtecrims.com/vision-141-legend-5-black-15-x-7-inch-wheels:vision-141-legend-5-black-15
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check these out, 15x7 many available backspace options. http://www.aeroracewheels.com/wheel_pgs/fifty_series.html or you could always get some rims and centers and make your own offsets. I have done that many times on race cars. LAZ
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That's a cool option
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Most of the TJ/XJ stuff fits fine. Here's mine with a main leaf with the eyes cut off in #2 position and 235/75R15s on TJ rims.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/AMC%20Eagle/Eagle1113.jpg)
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Do those wheels fit well, or do they rub occasionally, and take out wheel bearings. For some reason I can find these wheels, but not the amc era xj wheels.
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I've had 215/75/15's and now have 225/75/15 and had to trim some for the 215's a little more with the 225's and I have a little lift up front.
215's
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/svoman2300/photobucket-10752-1326668404532.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/svoman2300/media/photobucket-10752-1326668404532.jpg.html)
225's
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/svoman2300/Moab%206-9-12/45e59655-a145-4d88-820d-668d822e9e11_zpsfb80ae64.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/svoman2300/media/Moab%206-9-12/45e59655-a145-4d88-820d-668d822e9e11_zpsfb80ae64.jpg.html)
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eaglefreek, are the wheels you have on there now 7" or 8" wide? Thanks.
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Do those wheels fit well, or do they rub occasionally, and take out wheel bearings. For some reason I can find these wheels, but not the amc era xj wheels.
They are correct offset (any of the XJ ones should be) The 2wd TJs used a narrower rim than the 4x4 did. I get a slight touch on low speed (but not high speed) corners due to slop in my strut rod bushings. I need to change my steering box and put in the new pitman arm next. The Ranger went away so I have a few $$ to put into it and finish the 4x4 with low range conversion! Woo hoo!
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I found a couple other sites for wheels that seem to have a few more options in terms of backspacing.
http://www.treaddepot.com/
http://www.performanceplustire.com/
I usually base my search on a 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee, as I believe that is the vehicle my current wheels came off of, and they work well.
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eaglefreek, are the wheels you have on there now 7" or 8" wide? Thanks.
I believe the are 15x7. They are OEM Jeep wheels known as 10 spoke or turbines.
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I believe eaglefreek is right.
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eaglefreek, are the wheels you have on there now 7" or 8" wide? Thanks.
I believe the are 15x7. They are OEM Jeep wheels known as 10 spoke or turbines.
Thanks!
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215/75/15 BFG AT's on XJ/YJ Jeep wheels
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/294555_10150368299141208_347328507_n.jpg)
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/196918_10151359702606208_1538724211_n.jpg)
They rub at full lock and especially in reverse. I'm in the process of changing the springs so hopefully no more rub.
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Really nice Eagle Zorro
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I've been spending waaaaaay too much time looking at wheels and tires, so I thought I'd share my conclusions (for what they are worth) with everybody and hopefully save some brain damage for others. Most of this is probably available elsewhere so you may have read it before....
From what I can figure out, wheels for our Eagles are quite unique and very limited. Yes, there are a number of Jeep wheels that will work, but in terms of after market wheels, especially larger sizes, its tough to find many choices. I think its because of the way the Eagle was adapted from the original 2WD cars, that the axles stick out farther than the originals, thus the reason for the fender trim. So the Eagle's needed a wheel with mid-high backspacing, because the mounting surface was relatively far out in the wheel well.
I'm currently using Jeep Grand Cherokee wheels, 15x7 with a 5.25 backspace (+30 offset), 215/75-15 Goodyear Wrangler tires. I am not having any rubbing problems. I like the wheels, but the clear coat is coming off of them, and so I will need to have them rehab'ed if I'm going to keep them. I also need new tires, so I thought now would be the time to really figure out if I want to go with new wheels. I think a larger size would look good on an Eagle, without going to extremes.
Problems I'm finding with aftermarket wheels:
- Most of the 15x7 have a small backspace (negative offset) which will push the wheel and tire to the outside, increasing the likelihood of rubbing. It also leads to a lot of spray on the car. This is also due to the fact that the sides of the Eagles curve in as you go lower
Car with current wheels, note spray pattern behind the wheels
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h109/brilliantd/wheels/IMG_00000554_zps0641b658.jpg) (http://s62.photobucket.com/user/brilliantd/media/wheels/IMG_00000554_zps0641b658.jpg.html)
Note how the fender curves in, unlike the 97 Ford Expedition behind it. If you go with wheels with a smaller backspace, the tires will stick out even more, and spray will be worse
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h109/brilliantd/wheels/IMG_00000557_zps3ecc1d9c.jpg) (http://s62.photobucket.com/user/brilliantd/media/wheels/IMG_00000557_zps3ecc1d9c.jpg.html)
- If you want to go with a bigger wheel, its even harder to find a 7" wheel width. And when you go to an 8" wheel, you should be using a wider tire, like a 225. Increases the chances of rubbing. And its still hard to find a wheel with sufficient backspacing.
- You have to be careful of too much backspacing. Here is a picture of the back of my wheel, and you can see how close it gets to the spindle. It looks like I have about 1/2-3/4" of clearance. One nice thing about the larger wheels is that I'll have more clearance as the wheel will be higher in relation to the spindle.
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h109/brilliantd/wheels/IMG_00000548_zps808ceecc.jpg) (http://s62.photobucket.com/user/brilliantd/media/wheels/IMG_00000548_zps808ceecc.jpg.html)
- There are lots of front wheel drive wheels that may fit, but probably wouldn't look very good on an Eagle.
So, given all that, I'm currently leaning towards an American Racing AR895. Its available in 7" width for both 15 and 16" diameter. Backspacing on the 16" is 4.57", about 0.30" more than on my current wheels. Its got the right bolt pattern. Its also available in 17x7.5 with a 6.02 backspacing. Its readily available over the internet, but I'm going to try and find a local tire shop that will order it in so I can test fit it. It's got a semi-modern look, but not too much like a totally modern wheel.
Let me know what you think....
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h109/brilliantd/wheels/ar895_zpsdd6e7029.png) (http://s62.photobucket.com/user/brilliantd/media/wheels/ar895_zpsdd6e7029.png.html)
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I like them and think they would look great on Pepe!!
I like an older style wheel, maybe because I'm an older style too, my favorite wheels Ive ever has on a car was a set of Keystone Classics, if I can find some that's what I want to put on the Ambassador
All AMC small body cars from 70 and up (the hornet body and all the variations) have the curved body and its tough to keep spray off of them, Our Sprit and Concord are worse than the Eagle as they don't have any extensions and unless you run skinny bicycle looking tires you get spray. We have some pretty FAT tires on the Spirit and it looks great, until it rains, which it like every other day in Tennessee
Cant wait to see how they look on the car !
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Thanks Rob! Yes these small body AMC cars are certainly prone to the spray. I even have splash guards on the Eagle, and its not enough.
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So I found another wheel that I think I like better than the last one. Still 16 x 7, about 5.5" backspace. Comes in chrome or silver. Oh yea, they are made by American Eagle wheels. ;D
I also discovered that Summit's website is very good for looking at wheels, and the prices are really good.
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h109/brilliantd/kammback/eagle_192_polished_std_3001_zps9db072b6.png) (http://s62.photobucket.com/user/brilliantd/media/kammback/eagle_192_polished_std_3001_zps9db072b6.png.html)
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I've had 215/75/15's and now have 225/75/15 and had to trim some for the 215's a little more with the 225's and I have a little lift up front.
215's
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/svoman2300/photobucket-10752-1326668404532.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/svoman2300/media/photobucket-10752-1326668404532.jpg.html)
225's
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/svoman2300/Moab%206-9-12/45e59655-a145-4d88-820d-668d822e9e11_zpsfb80ae64.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/svoman2300/media/Moab%206-9-12/45e59655-a145-4d88-820d-668d822e9e11_zpsfb80ae64.jpg.html)
What bumper is that? looks great
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He made that himself.
Front Bumper Build
http://forums.amceaglesden.com/index.php?topic=37383.0
Rear Bumper Build
http://forums.amceaglesden.com/index.php?topic=35492.0
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I think I found the combo I am looking for what are the thoughts? may have to trim a little I think. issue may be that the smallest tire size available in this brand is 235/75/15
Rim
http://www.jegs.com/i/Black-Rock/262/952571245/10002/-1?parentProductId=1561261
Tire
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+DuraTrac&sidewall=Outlined White Letters&partnum=375QR5WDTOWL&tab=Sizes
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Most of the TJ/XJ stuff fits fine. Here's mine with a main leaf with the eyes cut off in #2 position and 235/75R15s on TJ rims.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/AMC%20Eagle/Eagle1113.jpg)
Did you have to do much cutting on that combo?
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One thing to keep in mind is clearance between the rim and the steering knuckle. With the rims I'm running I can't run hammer on wheel weights or they'll hit, stick-ons only.
Really nice Eagle Zorro
Thanks man!
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Most of the TJ/XJ stuff fits fine. Here's mine with a main leaf with the eyes cut off in #2 position and 235/75R15s on TJ rims.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/AMC%20Eagle/Eagle1113.jpg)
Did you have to do much cutting on that combo?
On the front fender where the mud flaps were I trimmed about 2 inches of extraneous stuff that I wouldn't have had to do if I had my new strut bushings put in ahead of time. The rear no longer touches, even with 1000 lbs in the back.