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Intro and basic Eagle Q's
« on: March 02, 2012, 11:01:22 AM »
Hello All!!!
   My name's Eric, and I live in Rhododendron, OR. I'm not currently an Eagle owner, but have an affinity for 4WD wagons, and have been keen on them for quite a while. I currently own a highly modified '86 Subaru GL, but would like to have a domestic wagon with more power. There is one for sale locally for $400, that is a project, but has a near perfect body and paint, with new winter tires to-boot! I don't know yet the year, model, or even what's wrong with it.........but I'll keep you up to date. My questions are mainly about availability of parts. I've searched around this wonderful forum some already, and have only found out about the popular 4.0 swap. That info is great, but I'm mostly concerned about whether or not there are any obsolete chassis or body parts, since AMC is no longer. I have some fab skills, and am not opposed to doing whatever is necessary to make her a runner again, but just need to know what I'm getting into first. I'll post some pics of the Soob, if any of you are interested, and it's okay not being an AMC. Hopefully some of my experience in lifting it will help with the Eagle, as they're both unibody rigs I believe. Thanks for any replies or help in advance!

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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2012, 11:06:19 AM »
Welcome BaldEagle!

I'm quite surprised that name hadn't been used yet!

As for your questions I've been on this forum for awhile now and I've noticed there are several people that have quite a bit of old Eagle parts and it seems there is never anything that is just absolutely impossible to get. You can always find a parts car around too if you needed some stuff. Usually if you need something you can post a Wanted ad and someone will either have it or know someone that has it or has access to it...or maybe even know of another replacement that would work. Would love to see some pics of the old GL. I'm a Subey fan! Would love to have an old B.R.A.T.!!!

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Re: Intro and basic Eagle Q's
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2012, 12:30:07 PM »
I was surprised that name wasn't taken too..........though I must admit, I'm not bald!
It's good to know that many used parts are still available, but what about things that you'd want to replace new, like brake pads, weatherstripping, etc? The Subaru's are great little wagons, but still an economy vehicle with lots of rattles, lack of power, and small cargo space. I'm hoping the Eagle's are built stout, like many other domestics, and that I can get more power from mods or an engine swap. My Soob got an upgrade a few years back, with a '96 Legacy MPFI 2.2L, that should have around 140HP up from stock 90....so a stock 6 may be a bit of a disappointment at first, but if I can eventually get it up to 190HP or better, that would be sweet! Here's some pics of the Soob, and I'll get some of the potential Eagle soon, once it's uncovered with snow!











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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2012, 12:43:47 PM »
The rear wheel looks like it's sitting funny? Like the old bronco too!

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Re: Intro and basic Eagle Q's
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2012, 01:04:51 PM »
The car's pretty off-camber in that shot.........going through a shoefly at Walker valley ORV park. So the front wheel is stuffed and the back hanging quite a bit. I had to trim the fenders to allow for that tire size, so it gets pretty close to the front at full droop, but compresses to the rear more. The ol' Bronc is still going strong too...........just crossed over 200K! It looks like the hardest part of an Eagle lift is the steering knuckle, which had to be extended with pipe and welded in the Soob. Maybe that can be done with the Eagle too: it's been well proven over several years, both on and off-road. Some other Subaru guys have done it with various combos of knuckle "extensions" from other cars like the outback. Has anyone tried Jeep knuckles, etc?

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 01:12:05 PM »
Most people that wanna lift the front more than like 2.5 inches just drop in a solid Axel.
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2012, 01:19:10 PM »
I had one of those, with the original non-turbocharged 1.8L TBI engine and a dying automatic. Pedal down, out of OD, going up the mountain at ~6500 RPM it would just hold at 65. It had the switchable AWD or it probably would have been slower.

It had a bad head gasket, and finally warped a head. It had a huge list of other problems too or it might of been worth fixing.  Lots of space and an A/C that would freeze you out on the hottest day. Still had MPG in the high 20s.

The 2.35 geared Eagles aren't as quick, but do a much better job of holding speed over the mountain. I spent a lot of time in second gear, but I got a trailer up at 65 with the Eagle.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2012, 01:31:19 PM »
Welcome to the nest.

I'd like to know what you've done to the subaru to get it to sit like that.  I've also looked thru your photobucket pics and there's some really cool shots of that little car going thru some serious mud.

I made a post on one of the pictures, asking what the little truck is - with the tall cap (and it looks like it has an outside roll cage) I'm guessing it's a subaru brat, but I really have no idea.  

Do you have a You Tube channel?  You should.  Shoot some video, and put that up as well.  Those pictures would be awesome videos.

I've always like the smaller, previous generation subaru's (like the ones your group has in the pictures).  

I'm not really sure how much bigger the Eagle wagon is to your Subaru Wagon.  I know if I fold the back seat, she'll hold quite a bit - More then I expected.

The eagle seems pretty tough as well.  I mean take into account that alot of them have been sitting in yards, fields, barns, abandoned, etc, for years, and the bloody things will still start up, and run under their own power.  

I went to look at a 4 door over a year ago, and it had been sitting for 9+ years in a field.  put gas in it, a battery, and the damm thing fired up, and moved under it's own power.  That still amazes me.

Pat took his stock SX/4 thru a mud hole that bigger boggers were going thru.   flooded the car almost up to the seats, had the rad totally clogged, some muddy water actually flooded up to the air cleaner filter, had it sitting in that muddy water for over an hour, then got it out, took the starter apart to get it to key again, and the bloody thing drove back to the city.  Overheated the whole way.  That eagle still runs after all that abuse.

So they are pretty tough in their own rite.    

The only thing I don't like about the Eagle, is when stock, it's underpowered alot.  But lucky for us, there's alot of Jeep upgrades and mods you can do to totally up the power (besides going to a V8) and ability.  

They are a really cool car.

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2012, 01:45:29 PM »
Pat took his stock SX/4 thru a mud hole that bigger boggers were going thru.   flooded the car almost up to the seats, had the rad totally clogged, some muddy water actually flooded up to the air cleaner filter, had it sitting in that muddy water for over an hour, then got it out, took the starter apart to get it to key again, and the bloody thing drove back to the city.  Overheated the whole way.  That eagle still runs after all that abuse.

And Whuntmore has a video of all this too! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXo1SAbKEn8

Also yeah, Whuntmore, that little truck with the white topper and exterior roll cage is a Brat. Such a cool little truck-car. Wish I had one!

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2012, 02:03:11 PM »
Yeah, a SAS may be a good way to go for me. The Soob has amazing ground clearance with the independent suspension, but the halfshafts are a weak point off-road, and lacks any decent flex.

The 1.8L turbos were known to be awful when it comes to blowing HG's. The 2.2L is pretty powerful, allowing me to take the pass here in 5th, but add much weight with passengers, etc........and it's all over. The Subaru's 3.9 gearing is really messed up bad with the increased tire size too. I may go up a few sizes with an Eagle, but we're talking like a 6" diameter increase from stock in a Soob. Huge power drain, but needed for ground clearance. Is there a standard tire size for all models of the Eagle?

I do have a lot of pics, but only one vid of my car off-road  ???
It's way steeper here than the video shows........just looks for the pebbles and rocks rolling down hill from the photographer!
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2012, 02:06:30 PM »
Standard size is anything that doesn't rub!  he he he, just kidding.

I've got 215's on mine, and no issues, but with a bit of easy modding and like 2.5 inch lift (which can be done with some simple spacers) you can (IIRC) get like 235's on it with no problems - I'm not personally sure about anything bigger.

The Eagle front diff is also a half shaft with bolt on CV joints.  

@Prafeston

I thought that was a Brat, but I really wasn't sure.  I don't know those cars very well, but I would love to have one - Or a little waggie like Bald Eagle has.  Those Subaru Brats are really cool looking.

LOLOL, that video is priceless huh?  I mean you should have seen the rigs that could get thru that hole.  we're talking some serious rigs with 31" plus tires and some serious running gear.  But Noooo, there's Pat, and he's gonna go thru it... he he he.  (I always bring a map and compass... Ya never know if you're gonna have to 'hoof it'  LOLOL)

Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack yer topic.

You and your buddies got some cool 4x4's.  Is that a Subaru club or something?


@baldeagle, do you have an Eagle now, that's covered with snow, or looking at one covered in snow?  Got any pics?

Note: I just watched that video you posted.  that was totally sweet!  ("you gotta commit to it... Not that commited... he he he)  That was really great to watch.  
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2012, 02:13:47 PM »
Is there a standard tire size for all models of the Eagle?

My tires on my car are 205/70/15. But I think you can run at least a 215/75/15 without any problems. I know Captnspillane has a write up of how to fit a 225/75/15 tire without a lift. Just requires a bit of trimming to the wheel well area.

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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2012, 02:16:43 PM »

My tires on my car are 205/70/15. But I think you can run at least a 215/75/15 without any problems. I know Captnspillane has a write up of how to fit a 225/75/15 tire without a lift. Just requires a bit of trimming to the wheel well area.

I think I've seen that, and I don't think I'd want to do that kind of modding.  But I did take the fender flares off my eagle, and I think I can get 225 under her right now, without too much rub.  It will rub a tiny bit in full turn, but not as much as you would think.

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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2012, 02:31:59 PM »
Is there a standard tire size for all models of the Eagle?

My tires on my car are 205/70/15. But I think you can run at least a 215/75/15 without any problems. I know Captnspillane has a write up of how to fit a 225/75/15 tire without a lift. Just requires a bit of trimming to the wheel well area.
To chime in, our '84 wagon wears 215/70s. The door sticker says 195/75. 195/75s were hard to find in 1986 when we went looking for tires.
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Re: Intro and basic Eagle Q's
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2012, 02:34:58 PM »
There is one for sale locally for $400, that is a project, but has a near perfect body and paint, with new winter tires to-boot!

And it's not in your driveway yet because... ?

Seriously, $400 for what I assume is a complete car, with a good body and paint, is a screaming buy.  Even if there were no drivetrain in it at all, it would be a deal.

That's one of those "buy first, think later" kind of situations.
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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2012, 02:42:09 PM »
There is one for sale locally for $400, that is a project, but has a near perfect body and paint, with new winter tires to-boot!

And it's not in your driveway yet because... ?

Seriously, $400 for what I assume is a complete car, with a good body and paint, is a screaming buy.  Even if there were no drivetrain in it at all, it would be a deal.

That's one of those "buy first, think later" kind of situations.

I also want sidetrack again, and say I've watched several of your group's videos.  Awesome stuff. 

Actually, I have to agree with El Matador on this one totally.  That is a good deal.  There are lots of eagles out there with ok bodies or worse, with rot in the usual places, and I gotta say that is a great starting point.  It'd be no problems getting a drive train for that.  
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Re: Intro and basic Eagle Q's
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2012, 02:43:04 PM »
Great info...........thanks guys! So even if I was to lift an Eagle, the tire size wouldn't have to go much bigger than a couple of sizes. That shouldn't affect the gearing too much. Yes, the one I'm looking at buying is covered in snow right now, but all sides are exposed and dent free! I'll have to get pics of it here soon. The club I was with was Northwest Washington Off-road Group, when I was living up north. All Soobies, with the occasional Jeep thrown in. Walker valley ORV park was our main place to go off-roading, with very tight trails that would allow for no bigger than a Cherokee to pass. Would be perfect for an Eagle............if you didn't mind mandatory body damage!!! One last question, then I must go to work for now: Do the Eagles have a high-low, dual range transfer case? Look forward to continuing this discussion tonight.   ;D

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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2012, 02:47:58 PM »
No hi-lo transfer case range.  but there are many to choose from - Some are direct bolt in (IIRC)

Tire size depends on the lift - without any major suspension modding, you can gently lift the eagle 2.5 inches without having to alter much - I think like some spacers to the front shock (somebody correct me if I'm wrong) and maybe some shackles or a better arch to the rear.  I believe that's pretty much it, and then you can run 235's (or even 245's) on the eagle with very few issues.

Otherwise tire size is just a question of lift - How high do you want to go, and how big of a tire do you want to run.
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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2012, 03:01:27 PM »

My tires on my car are 205/70/15. But I think you can run at least a 215/75/15 without any problems. I know Captnspillane has a write up of how to fit a 225/75/15 tire without a lift. Just requires a bit of trimming to the wheel well area.

I think I've seen that, and I don't think I'd want to do that kind of modding.  But I did take the fender flares off my eagle, and I think I can get 225 under her right now, without too much rub.  It will rub a tiny bit in full turn, but not as much as you would think.



captspillane had a writeup on this in how-to:

http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=37570.0
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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2012, 03:04:06 PM »
Bolt-in is very nice! Options are so very limited for customizing Subarus. You're right about this being a screaming eagle........I mean deal too! Fortunately, there's no danger of it selling out from under me. I just need to let him know to keep from scrapping it.  :o

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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2012, 03:15:02 PM »
There are actually tons of mods you can do to Eagles:

dump in a 4.0 HO from a jeep,
change out motor mounts and dump in a V8 (I think the V8 will almost drop in - Possibly some small modding)
Do a stroker motor,

mild lifts and keep front half-shaft
extreme lifts and dump in a jeep full front axle,

Depending on lift, tires sizes galore to choose from,

a few choices in upgraded rear axles (from an explorer to some Chrysler/jeep rear ends,

several T-cases to choose from (some bolt in, some spline mods)

Some direct tranny upgrades (727, or some jeep bolt in's)

I guess it's like that old saying:  Speed is just a question of money... How fast do you want to go?

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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2012, 11:23:59 PM »
Found out some more about the car today.........
Not only is the body in great shape, but it runs and drives too! '84 4-door wagon, with over $1500 put into it just last year for brakes, tires, and complete exhaust. There is some kind of issue with the oil pressure. Leak, bad pump, dunno yet, but regardless it would be well worth the money even if needing a new engine. It will be mine, then I'll take pics in my own driveway.  :hello2:

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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2012, 11:31:59 PM »
Sounds like a great deal for 400 bucks!

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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2012, 11:51:08 PM »
Oh Heck yeah... If it's rust free, and it actually runs.  Man!  You'd be crazy not to get it.

How's the interior?

It would be really funny if it was just one of those plastic valve issues.  Easy fix.

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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2012, 12:05:07 AM »
I didn't get a great look at the interior, but from what I could see it looked fine. I'm not so sure about being rust free, either............the body's good on the outside, but I've yet to crawl under it. Any problem areas that I should check. I really don't foresee anything that's going to prevent me from spending a mere 4 bills on it, though.

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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2012, 12:18:24 AM »
I didn't get a great look at the interior, but from what I could see it looked fine. I'm not so sure about being rust free, either............the body's good on the outside, but I've yet to crawl under it. Any problem areas that I should check. I really don't foresee anything that's going to prevent me from spending a mere 4 bills on it, though.

Just like Casper says, Check the rocker panels really good (inside and outside rockers), both ends of the rocker panels (where it starts and ends at both wheel wells), check the boxes that the leaf springs go into, Driver's side floor pan, dog-legs of the frame where it comes from the front, to where it ducks under the body, and pretty much general areas underside.

If there's no rot in any of those areas, and it doesn't look like it was in a collision that was repaired, then I would seriously get it.  

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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2012, 12:29:57 AM »
Great descriptions, guys. I'll have to look for rust and probably pick it up this weekend. It's only 1/4 mile from home, so I'll have to take it out further for a decent test drive............man, what a sweet deal!!!

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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2012, 10:32:25 AM »
good luck on the score. being your on the west of the cascades tho, im thinking it will have SOME rust. hopefully nothing that kills it. out here on the east side of the cascades, its DRY!!! things dont usually rust here. cars that have been here there entire life, are pretty pristine metal wise. as for interiors... thats another story. no rust, also no interior. lol. i guess it goes one way or the other some times.  :rotfl:

That's okay, I'm used to dealing with SOME rust. At least were not back east with whatever $hit they use on the roads; I'd take a shot interior over car cancer any day! The PO was supposed to have called last night with more info on the mechanical prob, and I'm working today so hopefully the deal will go down Sunday.   ;D

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« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2012, 01:32:06 AM »
Checked out the car a little more thoroughly today, and it looks pretty good. No major rust in the usual areas! Just a little surface rust in a couple spots at the most. So that, of course, means the interior is shot.  :P
The headliner sags bad, torn up front seats, torn carpet, and a few missing knobs. Oh well..............what can you expect for $400!?! The PO needs to find the key, so I haven't heard it run yet, and the hood release isn't working. After searching, I'll try the two person trick to get it open tomorrow. Crappy cell phone pics to upload too!

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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2012, 11:12:37 PM »
I'd like to take her to East OR..........once running. The car's in my driveway now, and the intermittent starting issue looks to be an easy fix! It turns over, but solenoid clicks, so it's that or the starter. Here's some pics as promised.









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« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2012, 11:14:31 PM »
Sweet! So you bought it?

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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2012, 11:19:24 PM »
Looks great on the outside.  and You say there's no real rust?    Dammit bro, save it!!

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« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2012, 03:00:30 AM »
Then Pretty much all you need to do is get the interior fixed up/replaced/revamped, and you're cruzing!

Yes, and take lots of pictures, and start a topic under Project cars, and take lots of pictures, and keep us up on how yer doing.  WE love to follow Projects with lots of pictures.

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Re: Intro and basic Eagle Q's
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2012, 10:44:08 AM »
Yes, I bought it..........didn't even try haggling over the price, for such a sweet deal. Just towed it across the hwy with the Soobie (NO pics of that, ever!) It needed the battery hooked back up and charged, and I was impressed to see an entire battery tray there, though it does need surface rust removed.  :o
Seats will be okay with covers, headliner to be removed for now, new starter? and lots of cleaning. I'm still undecided about any mods to be done, and what direction I want to go with it. I could lift it, but the temptation to take it off-road may be too great for the body's cond, and I have the Soob for that anyway. Maybe a sleeper screaming eagle!?!

Follow me over here, for progress and pics soon with the REAL camera:
http://forums.amceaglenest.com/index.php?topic=38160.0

 

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