Author Topic: Bug Out vehicle (Read 12797 times)

MudPuppy · « **on:** November 11, 2012, 05:53:15 PM »

I have been watching too much Doomsday Preppers here lately and got to thinking about a few things. I know some out there don't believe in this type of stuff and some do. Since we are into Eagles and we got our offroaders, campers, hunters, and general outdoorsy-type people here I thought this might be fun and possibly interesting.

Ok, crud has hit the fan....
Whether it be an martial law, economic collapse, famine, nuclear holocaust, fuel shortage, global pandemic, ecological disaster, EMP, super volcano, megatsunami, etc. (you get the idea)
Do you have security measures in place?

Anyone here make their Eagle (or planning to) a Bug Out vehicle?
Or do you have something else as Bug Out vehicle?

In your mind, what vehicle would be the best Bug Out vehicle?

eaglebeek · « **Reply #1 on:** November 11, 2012, 06:37:42 PM »

There used to be one of this type at work. His claim was that "modern" cars with electronic fuel injection have special provisions in their computers that would allow authorities to shut off cars with a radio signal. I asked him for documentation to this effect but he never did produce it.

On the other hand I have nothing to disprove his claim. It doesn't take much imagination to see it happening. I once worked for an outfit that ran several diesel vehicles with first-generation electronic controls. Some of these vehicles would do strange things when they were near a broadcast radio tower before someone figured out all was needed was to twist a certain pair of wires together.

My thinking is that if there's a shred of truth to his claim I don't want any part of it. Therefore, despite the capabilities of our Jeep Cherokee I would have to think about bugging out in our Eagle.

recomer · « **Reply #2 on:** November 11, 2012, 07:12:19 PM »

Someone already built mine for me

milliard431 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 11, 2012, 08:37:23 PM »

Actually a "Dirty bomb" would render all electronic ignitions and electronics in general useless. A mechanical distributor would still work so using an older set up from before the modules would work. Something to do with a magnetic pulse if I remember correctly.

rollguy · « **Reply #4 on:** November 11, 2012, 09:58:53 PM »

Quote from: recomer on November 11, 2012, 07:12:19 PM

Someone already built mine for me

WOW! I sure hope they don't need to get under the hood often!

rollguy · « **Reply #5 on:** November 11, 2012, 10:04:41 PM »

Also, concerning an EMP bomb, yes it would render EVERYTHING electronic useless. The only vehicle I know of that would be able to be driven after being affected by an EMP would be a Mercedes Benz 240 Diesel with a manual trans. It would not even need a battery to be able to start it (except in cold weather, needing glow plugs).

WoodenBirdOfPrey · « **Reply #6 on:** November 11, 2012, 10:24:32 PM »

As much as I love my Eagle, if I had to pack everything I needed up and trust one vehicle that I own, it would have to be my 98 GMC 1500. It's the most bulletproof vehicle I ever owned, even though it was one of the cheapest at $1400, and it has a mildly twisted frame and has been rode hard and put away wet for it's entire life (first 10 years as a construction vehicle, then I bought it and haven't stopped putting it through the ringer). I never saw something take that much abuse and never break. My Eagle, on the other hand, has unfortunately been one of the highest maintenance vehicles I've ever owned, and I just can't put the same level of trust into it, even though it is more capable and better on fuel.

In the event of an EMP bomb, I think the only thing I own that would survive would be my 67 Cub Cadet 123, and I won't be covering ground with that at a top speed of 9mph, so I think i'll just hunker down at home where all my ammo is.

mach1mustang351 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 11, 2012, 10:58:14 PM »

Here in Anchorage the way the road system is set up and where I live in town I wouldn't have much chance leaving the city until much after the mass exodus happens. My plan is to hunker down and stay home where the stores and ammo are and leave later. If I need to leave sooner the 2 wheel option may be best.

MudPuppy · « **Reply #8 on:** November 12, 2012, 12:16:16 AM »

Depending on exactly what had happened, I too would hunker down at home. Since I am within a short walking distance to a National Forest and a good sized recreational creek, plus I have a seasonal stream with lots of springs (1 of which is a 6th magnitude) just on the property. I am on well water (and is accessible without electricity) and have wood heat.
Though I do need to stock up more on the arsenal side of things.

If I could pick the ultimate Bug Out vehicle, it would have to be an armored truck...

eaglefreek · « **Reply #9 on:** November 12, 2012, 09:47:23 AM »

I don't have one yet, but a mule would make a perfect bug out vehicle. Not sure if it will be easier to find water or fuel, but all you'll need is water and grass, makes almost no noise and can pass over most terrain. If it gets injured or worn out, you can eat it.

Draekon · « **Reply #10 on:** November 12, 2012, 10:35:18 AM »

Turns out most cars would be alright in the case of an EMP.
http://jalopnik.com/5937778/how-to-prepare-your-car-to-handle-an-emp-and-why-you-shouldnt-bother

carnuck · « **Reply #11 on:** November 12, 2012, 03:24:19 PM »

Quote from: milliard431 on November 11, 2012, 08:37:23 PM

Actually a "Dirty bomb" would render all electronic ignitions and electronics in general useless. A mechanical distributor would still work so using an older set up from before the modules would work. Something to do with a magnetic pulse if I remember correctly.

Dirty bomb spreads radiation. A friend of mine swears the hood, etc on our cars will act as a Faraday box and if it's not running when the bomb hits. it will afterwards. NEMP (Nuclear Electro Magnetic Pulse) is generally from an atom bomb and the claim was that one set off in the middle of the USA about 1 mile off the ground would fry all the wiring grid from coast to coast. My place is off the grid. A magnesium flare in a radio controlled toy car will wipe out a car's computer and shut it off.
I have a points dist and carb. Fuel is my biggest concern because you can't pump it easily without power.

Whuntmore · « **Reply #12 on:** November 13, 2012, 02:46:07 PM »

interesting topic...

Two things I know of, old radio tubes aren't effected by EMP's. I have no idea how to incorporate that into a car. I'm sure older tech is the same thing, but from what I remember, it's the transistors that 'die' from an EMP (IC's, FET's, etc). It's the Silicon in the transistor (and other components like it) that are sensitive to EMP's. I am not sure about Germanium Transistors.

Just use 'lead foil' to cover the areas that get fried easy. You wouldn't need much lead either. If a microwave oven is enough shielding, then you'd only need a thin layer of lead.

I suggest lead, cause it's easy to work with. you can mold it into the proper shape, and it can be soldered easily. the problem is, even though it doesn't conduct electricity as well as say steel or copper, it still would have to be insulated against anything you're protecting.

To build a Faraday box, it has to be metal, and It can't grounded or 'in circut' in any way, and it can't have large gaps in it (but it doesn't have to be air-tight.) It has to be totally insulated from everything - Even The car's body. That would be considered 'in-circut'.

steveabn8295b · « **Reply #13 on:** November 13, 2012, 04:45:57 PM »

Some links on faraday cages

http://preparednesspro.com/emp-101-part-iv-faraday-cage/

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/setpa/CGM/building_a_faraday_cage.pdf

How you add this to a assembled car is up your ingenuity.

Most I have seen is put the spare parts , in a cage and install after event. As mentioned microwaves are good ones for components.

Whuntmore · « **Reply #14 on:** November 13, 2012, 06:28:34 PM »

from what I've understood and read, the Faraday cage can't be part of the car's ground - it has to have a separate ground, in order to insulate the items you're protecting.

if the 'cage' is part of the car's ground, it's still part of the system, and you can still damage the items you're protecting, but Looks like I will have to read up again.

I wasn't sure about the mesh wire, and I didn't want to suggest it in case I was wrong. I still think thin lead (like 1/16") would suffice. You can go to any junk yard, or tire shop, and get buckets of wheel weights.

carnuck · « **Reply #15 on:** November 14, 2012, 12:51:58 AM »

The body ground helps the cage. My friend did Airforce 1 back in the day. Ground straps galore!

TheWraith · « **Reply #16 on:** November 15, 2012, 07:04:56 AM »

A scenario like this might actually put the wife's two useless horses to doing some good. If we end up eating them, I have three bicycles in the garage. I imagine fuel will be impossible to find in a matter of days.

If diesel fuel was on hand, my brothers diesel '86 Chevrolet C30 doesn't need electricity to run. Roll start it in third gear and then drive away. Had to pull start it once with Dad's tractor when the batteries died, so I know it will roll start. I love a 1-ton dually truck with a flatbed. I use to own it before I sold it to him...I bought a '95 crew cab but it has all the electronic bits and pieces....not that I think an EMP would hurt it to be honest.

unpossible · « **Reply #17 on:** November 16, 2012, 02:04:34 PM »

I've thought of making a bug out bag before, but then I realized that I'm slow. I'd get speared and someone would take my goodies.

I like the idea of a bike or a mule or horse, but what would you do for shelter?

carnuck · « **Reply #18 on:** November 27, 2012, 03:14:38 PM »

Quote from: unpossible on November 16, 2012, 02:04:34 PM

I've thought of making a bug out bag before, but then I realized that I'm slow. I'd get speared and someone would take my goodies.

I like the idea of a bike or a mule or horse, but what would you do for shelter?

Blue tarps are too cheap. Get a canvas one (less visible too)

Whuntmore · « **Reply #19 on:** November 27, 2012, 04:07:42 PM »

Quote from: carnuck on November 27, 2012, 03:14:38 PM

Quote from: unpossible on November 16, 2012, 02:04:34 PM
I've thought of making a bug out bag before, but then I realized that I'm slow. I'd get speared and someone would take my goodies.

I like the idea of a bike or a mule or horse, but what would you do for shelter?
Blue tarps are too cheap. Get a canvas one (less visible too)

And Canvas doesn't break down in sunlight like 'plastic' tarps do. Easier to paint 'camo' also!

WoodenBirdOfPrey · « **Reply #20 on:** December 09, 2012, 02:03:58 PM »

Making progress on my bug out vehicle now. Picked up a 1978 Sunline 8'6" truck camper for a whopping $50 from cl. It needed a good bit of cleaning up and some minor leaks need sealed up, but it's solid and will do the job. It's the perfect size for my truck too, that's the biggest camper that anybody has ever hauled safely on a half ton truck, any of the newer ones of comparable size would be too heavy.

As it sits right now it can be self contained for a good bit of time. Propane furnace, electric heater, propane stove, propane/electric refrigerator, and 12v lights. Even has a flushing toilet in it. With this combination I can keep warm and cook without having to start a fire and creating smoke that can draw attention. I have a source of free AGM batteries and will build up a good bank of them in the extra storage compartments, which can run the lights, water pump, operate radios and charge portable devices, and with a power inverter, pretty much run any household appliance like microwave ovens. It may possibly even get a solar bank on the roof to help keep the batteries charged.

All of this sitting on the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned. 34 gallon fuel tank too.

Oh, and how will I protect myself, and hunt for food? Got that covered. This isn't even all that I have at the ready, just some of the favorites. Got a crate of surplus 7.62 ammo just waiting for a rainy day, which works for both the AK47 and AR-15 (The AR was converted).

jim · « **Reply #21 on:** December 09, 2012, 03:02:41 PM »

Hey, I may want to go with you when the ball drops. I was going to make one recommendation: a simpler firearm to add to the heavy duty stuff, but I had overlooked the revolver.

MudPuppy · « **Reply #22 on:** December 09, 2012, 03:54:08 PM »

I think I'd tag along with you too WBoP.
I have a close sibling to your truck

'96 Chevy Silverado 5.7L Vortec (a.k.a major gas guzzler) 1/2 ton
Not much of a Chevy fan myself (this was my dad's when he passed), but can't complain haven't had much problems with it either. Does yours have the 5.7 Vortec?

WoodenBirdOfPrey · « **Reply #23 on:** December 09, 2012, 04:14:23 PM »

Mine has the 5.0 Vortec in it. Not as rough on gas as the 5.7, and pulls nearly as well. I average 15mpg and that's mostly a combination of short trips around town, and towing at highway speeds when we go 4 wheeling.

Whuntmore · « **Reply #24 on:** December 09, 2012, 08:42:48 PM »

what's the bottom black pistol? looks like a Browning HP. Very good choice if it is.

WoodenBirdOfPrey · « **Reply #25 on:** December 09, 2012, 09:06:42 PM »

Quote from: Whuntmore on December 09, 2012, 08:42:48 PM

what's the bottom black pistol? looks like a Browning HP. Very good choice if it is.

Yes, that most certainly is a Browning Hi-Power. That one used to be my dad's until he thinned out his collection. One of my favorites. I can't entirely explain why, but I like the way the Makarov above it shoots better though. The Browning is more accurate though, and larger magazine, so it wins. Not to mention finding the Makarov 9x18mm rounds isn't getting any easier lately, 9x19 is everywhere.

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