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Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« on: December 24, 2012, 01:59:29 AM »
I always loved the looks of the old big body Wagoneers and cherokee's.  Many people were happy to see them go in 1991 after looking at the same sheet metal for its entire 29 year run...Not me though, I think they were one of the most handsome SUV's ever made. chrysler did a pretty good job...for the most part...of capturing many of the Wagoneer and Cherokee Chief's styling cues in these concept vehicles. The Cherokee Chief would certainly need the huge chief's head badge and wide native american pattern pinstripe to make it look official though...Still, not bad. Too bad they probably wont ever produce them.



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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2012, 06:45:55 AM »
very cool looking.  Thanks for sharing.

And I'm loving Shanebo's new photo - nothing like some Bangles on a Manic Monday!
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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2012, 07:32:11 AM »
Hey that's how it's supposed to be made.

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• Good looking body and features
• Continues the classic AMC/Jeep heritage.

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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2012, 11:55:07 AM »
Thumbs up!  My first Jeep was a 1974 Cherokee, and I really liked it.  The retro styling, and modern drivetrain would make a great selling vehicle.  Bringing back the style of the popular cars of the past has been the thing to do lately.
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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2012, 01:21:20 PM »
I had an '83 full-size Cherokee. I became frustrated  :banghead: with it because 1) it sprang more leaks than an old dike 2) I couldn't get more than 13 mpg out of it regardless of how gently I drove it 3) I had multiple problems with door latches and the tailgate glass mechanism and repair parts were EXPENSIVE...so I traded it on what turned out to be a pile of junk chubby blazer that got only 12 mpg. I now regret that move, and when a 2000 'kee became available to me I snapped it up.

It seems to me that Chrysler could not even think about producing this "concept"...that has been tried and proven...until they have some idea of where the government is going with fuel economy standards and demands for alternative-fuel vehicles. The solution could be Diesel power...and one would think Chrysler, with its Dodge/Cummins success, has the marketing know-how to pull it off.

That thing, Shanebo, is way too cool. When Chrysler came out with the Commander it was said they wanted the look of the Hummer. Why on earth I have no clue...and now both GM and Chrysler have discontinued them. I have to wonder where a retro-rig like that one could take Chrysler...  :hello2::eagle:
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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2012, 08:24:45 PM »
I'm really digging the wood paneling and turbine rims too.
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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2012, 09:56:24 PM »
Those pictures have been floating around at least 4 years if not more. They aren't prototypes, just someone playing with Photoshop. Those are Jeep Commanders that Jeep stopped producing in 2010, so there definitely won't be anything like those made.
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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2012, 10:47:22 PM »
I had a couple of the full size Grand Wagoneers.  I loved them.  There is more to life than gas mileage.
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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2012, 10:08:25 AM »
I had a couple of the full size Grand Wagoneers.  I loved them.  There is more to life than gas mileage.
Under most circumstances I agree. Even when I was single and in college I always had gas in the tank...and I always filled it up when I went to the gas station. At the time I had the FSJ I had just started a new job after 15 years of self-employment. I had a mortgage and a family, so finances were tight. Now, the kids are out on their own and the mortgage is nearly paid off. I wish I was a little more far-sighted when I had that FSJ. :eagle:
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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2012, 11:01:57 PM »
I like the looks of those.  I would drive one.
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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2012, 01:50:37 PM »
I'll go for the 2dr Cherokee version, with a Golden Eagle paint scheme, please.  :occasion14: Hemi with Quadratrac and lifted to fit 33's. MMMMmmm.

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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2012, 03:12:25 AM »
Any of you guys remember an episode of.....I think it was Trucks, on Speed network, when they dropped an old school grand wagoneer body on a late model durango chasis with a hemi powered drive train. It looked like a pretty direct fit....of course tv has a way of making things look easier than they are....Charles bronson made it look easy to single handedly take out a gang of armed thugs and I probably won't be attempting that anytime soon either.
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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2013, 06:00:17 PM »
There is actually talks going on between Jeep and several of the FSJ guys (especially Wagonmaster) about what it would take to get people into  new GW. Top priorities were a solid front axle and simplicity of design.
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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2013, 06:57:13 AM »
Any of you guys remember an episode of.....I think it was Trucks, on Speed network, when they dropped an old school grand wagoneer body on a late model durango chasis with a hemi powered drive train. It looked like a pretty direct fit....of course tv has a way of making things look easier than they are....Charles bronson made it look easy to single handedly take out a gang of armed thugs and I probably won't be attempting that anytime soon either.

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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2013, 02:34:54 PM »
I suppose I liked my full size GWs more than any other vehicle I've had.  I have no confidence whatsoever that any car company can build anything comparable in today's environment.   
When I heard the GW was coming back in 1991(?) I was very excited.  It was a big disappointment to find out it was a downsized model.
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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2013, 08:46:25 PM »
I suppose I liked my full size GWs more than any other vehicle I've had.  I have no confidence whatsoever that any car company can build anything comparable in today's environment.   
When I heard the GW was coming back in 1991(?) I was very excited.  It was a big disappointment to find out it was a downsized model.
I don't, either. Much of my thoughts as to why are already posted in reply #4 in this thread. Added to those thoughts is that such a rig couldn't be built for less than 40k to 50k dollars retail, if only for the cost of steel. People who spend this kind of money on a car may be looking for an SUV but won't see that kind of value in a Jeep's off-road abilities.
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Re: Very cool Wagoneer prototype
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2013, 01:37:26 AM »
I figured about the same too....$45,000-$60,000 range....Thinking back though, Grand Wagoneers were pretty darn spendy back then too. 91' was the last year Chrysler sold the AMC body G.W. and if memory serves me right my grandmother paid almost $30,000 for hers back in 1991, which at the time seemed like a small fortune.

...Chrysler reintroduced the "ZJ Grand Wagoneer" in 93' and it was dropped at the end of 93'. It was basically a Jeep Grand Cherokee with a wood grain sticker...Even though it offered a 5.2l V8 and was pretty plush it fell into a grey area. The younger ZJ fans didn't want to pay $1200 more for a wood grain sticker and opted for the cheaper grand cherokee limited and the die hard big body Wagoneer fans felt it lacked the size and commanding presence of the original so needless to say it was an epic fail.
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