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Howdy. I got the shell of an 81 SX4
« on: December 22, 2011, 02:44:29 AM »
Howdy all, and thanks for being a great resource.  I have been searching for an SX4 since I was 16.  My dad gave me a metric pile of rust and tinny-noises in the shape of an MG midget when I was 14, and said that I could have it if I got it running.  Two years of sanding, bondo, wrenching and learning how to swear like an adult got the gocart running, but by that point, I was too tall to drive it.  My knees got in the way of steering.  So, my dad asked me what kinda car I would get if I had my choice.  "AMC Eagle SX4" I blurted out.  Unfortunately he had never heard of it... and worse, once I described to him, he thought it "funny".

I recently just passed my "closer to forty than twenty" birthday, and as a gift to myself, I grabbed-up an 81 SX4 4-speed, full-time 4WD (151 duke).

I've been trolling CL since I moved back to Oregon a couple of years ago, for a viable candidate for restoration.  I ran across an SX4 last summer that was going for $1000, but it was coastal, and the chassis was on it's way to crumbling.  Then a day after my birthday, I hit the customary "AMC" search on the local CL, and lo-and-behold, posted just moments before is my Sx4.  I grabbed the trailer, a fellow grease-monkey, and off we went to take a peak.  The frame and body is in surprisingly good shape.  The interior is pretty much stripped, and the Duke's got a stuck lifter.  All of this was fine by me, because now I get to build my dream-car. 

I want to build my yet-to-be named SX4 to be my daily(lifetime)driver/bugout/escape-pod/TIE fighter.

Fuel economy, ability to get there and back, and have a heckofatime doing it.

Which brings me to a couple of open questions:

1)  Diesel swap... is it worth it?

2) What are the favorite setups of other 'Nesters?  (I really dig the "Strike Eagle") and what are the strengths of each setup?

3) Where can I read more about the Light & Brandt Rally SX4 setup?  Was it stock, and just a cage added?

I appreciate the opinions, and will post a photo soon. Though, it isn't much to look at currently.
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Re: Howdy. I got the shell of an 81 SX4
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2011, 03:36:31 AM »
welcome to the nest and i can't wait to see what all you do to it.
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Re: Howdy. I got the shell of an 81 SX4
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2011, 10:57:39 AM »
1)  Diesel swap... is it worth it?

I f you are a Diesel oriented guy like I am, I would say that a Diesel swap would definitely be worth it. There are many opinions as to the "best" Diesel engine to use, and I certainly have mine.  I have yet to see an actual Diesel swap done on an Eagle other than the VM 3.6L 6cyl installed in a few (5?) 1980 Eagle wagons by a California company.  I formerly owned one of these (only 2 known to still exist), and it now resides at the Rambler Ranch in Elizibeth CO.  If I were to do a Diesel swap in an Eagle today, I would use a Mercedes Benz engine and trans.  They are plentiful and cheap. However, the adapting of the trans to TC is needed.  Another good way (much more expensive) is to use a Cummins 4BT with a trans and TC from a donor Diesel Dodge truck  (the 6BT is just tooooooooo big to fit in an Eagle).   This setup would be the most stock looking, but would require something other than stock for the differentials and suspension (straight axles).
 


2) What are the favorite setups of other 'Nesters?  (I really dig the "Strike Eagle") and what are the strengths of each setup?

From my avatar, you can tell I like hard core off roading.  If you are into that sort of thing, an Eagle is a fun way to go.  Check out Mick's rigs on this site.  There are others here that have some really modified cars that you can get some great ideas from.
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Re: Howdy. I got the shell of an 81 SX4
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2011, 03:53:59 PM »
Hello there NIIX!! Glad to hear you got your SX/4. I had considered the Diesel swap too, however I know less about Diesel than I do about V8's, which is nearly nothing. I'm an I6 girl and will probably always be.
Diesel does sound super fun though.
Perhaps we'll see you at Rendezvous 2012 next summer! 'work-in-progress' cars are welcome too. Clackamette Park in Oregon City, Oregon on July 21st. Mark your calender.
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Re: Howdy. I got the shell of an 81 SX4
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2011, 03:48:57 PM »
Hello there NIIX!! Glad to hear you got your SX/4. I had considered the Diesel swap too, however I know less about Diesel than I do about V8's, which is nearly nothing. I'm an I6 girl and will probably always be.
Diesel does sound super fun though.
Perhaps we'll see you at Rendezvous 2012 next summer! 'work-in-progress' cars are welcome too. Clackamette Park in Oregon City, Oregon on July 21st. Mark your calender.

Hi Mojobean! ;) I'll let Isabelle know about the meet. Maybe it'll be one of those rare days we have off at the same time (this past year only 3 days. Christmas, Thanksgiving and one day I took off) Hopefully I'll have 2 running AMC 4x4s (one Eagle wagon and possibly the Spirit still partially if not totally converted)
   I just had 1/2 my teeth pulled and I'm already feeling much better than I did.

Now, for diesel swaps. While 4BT is powerful and all, unless you plan to put a 5th wheel on the SX4 and all the related beefed up suspension and axles, I would shoot for something smaller and more fuel efficient.
    I'd look at a Toyota 3L or 5L (or a refurbed 2LT that has no cracked head) with AX-15 bell (I think Toyota calls them an R151, but I'm buzzed on pain killers) and use Jeep trans and tcase.
Another possibility is Isuzu 4 cyl turbo diesel (or non-turbo 2.2L like I see on CL from semi-truck pup generators, but I don't know what side drop the Isuzu/Luv used for tcases.
   If I could set it up with LH drop tcase, I would do a Nissan SD33T or LD28 (from a Maxima) or SD22 from an '80s Datsun pickup.
   The Chevette diesel would probably be too small and I don't know if there is a trans with tcase that will fit. A lot of XJ guys are going with a VW or Audi diesel conversion (there is actually a kit available) but I would look at a Mercedes diesel swap for weight although that pretty much forces an auto trans.
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Re: Howdy. I got the shell of an 81 SX4
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 05:26:48 PM »
    I'd look at a Toyota 3L or 5L (or a refurbed 2LT that has no cracked head) with AX-15 bell (I think Toyota calls them an R151, but I'm buzzed on pain killers) and use Jeep trans and tcase.
Another possibility is Isuzu 4 cyl turbo diesel (or non-turbo 2.2L like I see on CL from semi-truck pup generators, but I don't know what side drop the Isuzu/Luv used for tcases.
   If I could set it up with LH drop tcase, I would do a Nissan SD33T or LD28 (from a Maxima) or SD22 from an '80s Datsun pickup.
   The Chevette diesel would probably be too small and I don't know if there is a trans with tcase that will fit. A lot of XJ guys are going with a VW or Audi diesel conversion (there is actually a kit available) but I would look at a Mercedes diesel swap for weight although that pretty much forces an auto trans.
A big consideration in doing a Diesel swap is the availability of donor parts, and price.   Yes, the 4BT is a little hard to find, but the Nissan SD33T, Isuzu, Audi & Toyota (VERY RARE) would all be harder to come by, and the VW is just too expensive. A Mitsubishi 2.3L Turbo 4 cyl (Mighty Max & Dodge D50 trucks 1983-1985) would be easier to come by than the 4 previously mentioned.  There are manual trans options for the 'Benz.  There are plenty of 4 speed 240 D's in the wrecking yards, and the 4 spd is quite short, making a divorced TC setup easy (or room for an adapter).  In my opinion, the 'Benz is the most plentiful, cheapest, and easiest Diesel powerplant for any Diesel conversion.  The automatic has 4 speeds, and 1st gear is lower than most of the automatics from the "big four" (GM, Ford, Chrysler, AMC) if you want to go rock crawling.
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Re: Howdy. I got the shell of an 81 SX4
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2011, 11:10:33 PM »
    I'd look at a Toyota 3L or 5L (or a refurbed 2LT that has no cracked head) with AX-15 bell (I think Toyota calls them an R151, but I'm buzzed on pain killers) and use Jeep trans and tcase.
Another possibility is Isuzu 4 cyl turbo diesel (or non-turbo 2.2L like I see on CL from semi-truck pup generators, but I don't know what side drop the Isuzu/Luv used for tcases.
   If I could set it up with LH drop tcase, I would do a Nissan SD33T or LD28 (from a Maxima) or SD22 from an '80s Datsun pickup.
   The Chevette diesel would probably be too small and I don't know if there is a trans with tcase that will fit. A lot of XJ guys are going with a VW or Audi diesel conversion (there is actually a kit available) but I would look at a Mercedes diesel swap for weight although that pretty much forces an auto trans.
A big consideration in doing a Diesel swap is the availability of donor parts, and price.   Yes, the 4BT is a little hard to find, but the Nissan SD33T, Isuzu, Audi & Toyota (VERY RARE) would all be harder to come by, and the VW is just too expensive. A Mitsubishi 2.3L Turbo 4 cyl (Mighty Max & Dodge D50 trucks 1983-1985) would be easier to come by than the 4 previously mentioned.  There are manual trans options for the 'Benz.  There are plenty of 4 speed 240 D's in the wrecking yards, and the 4 spd is quite short, making a divorced TC setup easy (or room for an adapter).  In my opinion, the 'Benz is the most plentiful, cheapest, and easiest Diesel powerplant for any Diesel conversion.  The automatic has 4 speeds, and 1st gear is lower than most of the automatics from the "big four" (GM, Ford, Chrysler, AMC) if you want to go rock crawling.


SD33T (and SD33 non-turbo) is used in IH Scouts and CJ10A Jeep tugs. While aftermarket isn't huge, the parts are readily available.
Isuzu diesels (also used in Chevy Luvs and GM/Iveco semi trucks) are the only one on the list that is CA approved.
   The Mitsu motor has a bad habit of cracking heads and is MUCH harder to find parts for due to the Mitsu guys always scrounging them, even from early Rangers.
   AFAICT, the 240D bell won't bolt up to the better and easier to find 300D. Or so the Mercedes and Unimog guys tell me.

I forgot the Mazda diesel too (made by Perkins) I think different areas have different pricing/availability for parts too. I can get the complete motor/trans combo I want in FL, but not here. A lot of these small diesels have aftermarket based in the marine parts.
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Re: Howdy. I got the shell of an 81 SX4
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2011, 02:28:54 AM »
I love the cummins 4bt but it is a heavy beast..and pretty expensive. Isuzu diesels are about the most plentiful and cost effective diesels...those little NPR trucks have that 5.2 L diesel and they got lots of power for their size.
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Re: Howdy. I got the shell of an 81 SX4
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2011, 10:45:29 AM »
I'm currently gearing up to do two diesel conversions. The first is a military truck GM 6.2L diesel engine into an International Scout. The second is the SD33T from that International Scout into an AMC Eagle. I've started a project thread here on the forum but its stagnant until I finish the 401 5 speed SX4.

First thing, own a diesel before installing one. My SD33T Scout is my daily driver while my SX4 is apart. It requires incredible patience. You will be willing to pay the extra cost of fuel if you are in a rush. It doesn't start instantly and its bad to turn the engine off instantly. (I idle for at least 20 seconds to keep hot oil from cooling and congealing around the turbo bearings). It accelerates worse than an Iron Duke no matter if you are empty or hauling. No matter how much horsepower you have, a diesel engine will not increase its RPMs faster than a given amount. Power to wieght ratio by itself doesn't make it a race car. If you don't plug in the block heater for at least an hour, it will smoke obnoxiously for several minutes and have absolutely no power until it reaches operating temperature. I always idle for 10 to 20 minutes at the start of each trip.

I obviously like it enough to spend the time and money in putting it in an Eagle, but the end product will be drastically limited in application. My 4.5L inline six or 401 V8 Eagles are considerably more practical and fun to drive across any situation. A daily driver needs to give the option of jumping in the cab, turning the key, and throwing a rooster tail out the driveway. A pregnant wife in labor will not want to sit and idle for five minutes. If you are a typical Eagle owner, you bought the car for less than a grand and figure on spending less than six grand the entire life of the vehicle. I'm not typical. I've spent 23 grand for a 2006 Unlimited Rubicon and I am willing to spend that or more if it makes my Eagles more fun to drive, more reliable and capable, and more practical than the TJ. I'll spend at least 12 grand on each of several Eagles. Do not consider a diesel conversion if you think it will save you money on fuel. Only consider it if you're passionate about the advantages and willing to spend much more time and money on the car than it will be worth when its done. A fuel injected 6 cylinder is simply the most for your money and few people need to look further.

The 6.2L GM conversion is a better conversion than the cummins options in several ways, even tho the cummins diesels do beat the GM 6.2 and 6.5L in horsepower per unit displacement. I went with the GM anyway because it is essentially a small block Chevy that runs on diesel. Its got plenty of power and torque and they are easy to find. All the military Chevy blazers and Humvees are equipped with them. The military trucks have 24 volt systems, but most of the truck uses standard 12 volt parts. The dual 12V alternators have to be uncoupled and the starter replaced with standard civilian parts and you're good to go. Cummins and Ford diesels are just as easy to find, a little more powerful, a little more expensive, and so far a toss up against the GM diesel.

I've found the transmission to be the hardest part of any conversion. Thats where the GM diesel has a profound advantage over any other. If it works with a SBC, it works with the 6.2L. Any motor can be adapted as easily as the next, its the transmission that makes or breaks the conversion. The Jeep 4.0 is the only engine you'll find with compatible front axle mounts. Its the only cheap and simple option to modernize and provide respectable power to an AMC Eagle. With an AMC V8 an adaptor is available to buy. Once you look past those two options, you're accepting the chore of fabricating new motor mounts or doing a straight axle swap. The front axle is the profound difference between an Eagle and every other car ever made. It has a huge impact on the complexity of an engine swap.

There is alot of aftermarket support for people putting SBC motors in Jeeps. The GM diesel shares the same motor mounts, bellhousing, and flywheel as a 454 SBC. Since the flywheel is neutrally balanced it can be swapped with any SBC flywheel. A 154 tooth SBC flywheel is the biggest that can fit in an Iron Duke bellhousing. Thankfully someone else has done it before, so I know the stock Iron Duke starter is said to work well with a Chevy flywheel. Using that bellhousing opens up the full range of available Jeep transmissions and keeps the hydraulic system totally stock. It eliminates a great deal of adaptor cost and complexity. I don't trust a T5 behind a diesel, but I do trust the NV3550. That's easily adapted and compatible with stock drivetrain parts.

If you're going automatic with the GM 6.2L, the best choice is clearly the four speed GM transmission. An expensive adaptor ($420) is available for the necessary Jeep transfer case. The previous owner of my Scout has driven an SD33T with TF727 three speed automatic, and he hated it. The three speed gearing is too narrow and the necessary axle ratio to match the gears to the engine torque curve demanded an overdrive that wasn't there. Thankfully my GM 6.2L will marry beautifully to a readily available four speed automatic.

I'm going with the SD33T in my AMC Eagle because I have two of them, they last forever, they've got lots of support through the Scout community, and its externally the same size as the AMC 258. Its not enough power to keep me happy in the Scout, but its a perfect match for an Eagle. It will fit considerably easier than the GM motor because it has only one exhaust outlet on the driver side, just like the 258. Eagles have an engine offset to the passenger side that is very hard to deal with. The NV4500 is overkill, but its the only five speed available for the SD33T. The axles will be upgraded to handle the torque and the 33 inch tires. It will not be a daily driver, but it will be wicked cool.
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Re: Howdy. I got the shell of an 81 SX4
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2011, 11:58:29 AM »

   AFAICT, the 240D bell won't bolt up to the better and easier to find 300D. Or so the Mercedes and Unimog guys tell me.

The 240D 4 cyl is basically a 300D 5 cyl minus one cyl.  The bell bolt pattern is exactly the same on all the 4 and 5 cyl MB Diesel engines from 1976-1985.  A 4 speed swap from a 240 is a very popular swap into a 300D.   It can all be done with factory parts with the exception of the driveshaft (needs to be lengthened).
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Re: Howdy. I got the shell of an 81 SX4
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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2011, 12:41:51 AM »
A warm welcome to the AMC Eagle Nest.
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Re: Howdy. I got the shell of an 81 SX4
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2011, 01:30:18 AM »
I'm currently gearing up to do two diesel conversions. The first is a military truck GM 6.2L diesel engine into an International Scout. The second is the SD33T from that International Scout into an AMC Eagle. I've started a project thread here on the forum but its stagnant until I finish the 401 5 speed SX4.

First thing, own a diesel before installing one. My SD33T Scout is my daily driver while my SX4 is apart. It requires incredible patience. You will be willing to pay the extra cost of fuel if you are in a rush. It doesn't start instantly and its bad to turn the engine off instantly. (I idle for at least 20 seconds to keep hot oil from cooling and congealing around the turbo bearings). It accelerates worse than an Iron Duke no matter if you are empty or hauling. No matter how much horsepower you have, a diesel engine will not increase its RPMs faster than a given amount. Power to wieght ratio by itself doesn't make it a race car. If you don't plug in the block heater for at least an hour, it will smoke obnoxiously for several minutes and have absolutely no power until it reaches operating temperature. I always idle for 10 to 20 minutes at the start of each trip.

I obviously like it enough to spend the time and money in putting it in an Eagle, but the end product will be drastically limited in application. My 4.5L inline six or 401 V8 Eagles are considerably more practical and fun to drive across any situation. A daily driver needs to give the option of jumping in the cab, turning the key, and throwing a rooster tail out the driveway. A pregnant wife in labor will not want to sit and idle for five minutes. If you are a typical Eagle owner, you bought the car for less than a grand and figure on spending less than six grand the entire life of the vehicle. I'm not typical. I've spent 23 grand for a 2006 Unlimited Rubicon and I am willing to spend that or more if it makes my Eagles more fun to drive, more reliable and capable, and more practical than the TJ. I'll spend at least 12 grand on each of several Eagles. Do not consider a diesel conversion if you think it will save you money on fuel. Only consider it if you're passionate about the advantages and willing to spend much more time and money on the car than it will be worth when its done. A fuel injected 6 cylinder is simply the most for your money and few people need to look further.

The 6.2L GM conversion is a better conversion than the cummins options in several ways, even tho the cummins diesels do beat the GM 6.2 and 6.5L in horsepower per unit displacement. I went with the GM anyway because it is essentially a small block Chevy that runs on diesel. Its got plenty of power and torque and they are easy to find. All the military Chevy blazers and Humvees are equipped with them. The military trucks have 24 volt systems, but most of the truck uses standard 12 volt parts. The dual 12V alternators have to be uncoupled and the starter replaced with standard civilian parts and you're good to go. Cummins and Ford diesels are just as easy to find, a little more powerful, a little more expensive, and so far a toss up against the GM diesel.

I've found the transmission to be the hardest part of any conversion. Thats where the GM diesel has a profound advantage over any other. If it works with a SBC, it works with the 6.2L. Any motor can be adapted as easily as the next, its the transmission that makes or breaks the conversion. The Jeep 4.0 is the only engine you'll find with compatible front axle mounts. Its the only cheap and simple option to modernize and provide respectable power to an AMC Eagle. With an AMC V8 an adaptor is available to buy. Once you look past those two options, you're accepting the chore of fabricating new motor mounts or doing a straight axle swap. The front axle is the profound difference between an Eagle and every other car ever made. It has a huge impact on the complexity of an engine swap.

There is alot of aftermarket support for people putting SBC motors in Jeeps. The GM diesel shares the same motor mounts, bellhousing, and flywheel as a 454 SBC. Since the flywheel is neutrally balanced it can be swapped with any SBC flywheel. A 154 tooth SBC flywheel is the biggest that can fit in an Iron Duke bellhousing. Thankfully someone else has done it before, so I know the stock Iron Duke starter is said to work well with a Chevy flywheel. Using that bellhousing opens up the full range of available Jeep transmissions and keeps the hydraulic system totally stock. It eliminates a great deal of adaptor cost and complexity. I don't trust a T5 behind a diesel, but I do trust the NV3550. That's easily adapted and compatible with stock drivetrain parts.

If you're going automatic with the GM 6.2L, the best choice is clearly the four speed GM transmission. An expensive adaptor ($420) is available for the necessary Jeep transfer case. The previous owner of my Scout has driven an SD33T with TF727 three speed automatic, and he hated it. The three speed gearing is too narrow and the necessary axle ratio to match the gears to the engine torque curve demanded an overdrive that wasn't there. Thankfully my GM 6.2L will marry beautifully to a readily available four speed automatic.

I'm going with the SD33T in my AMC Eagle because I have two of them, they last forever, they've got lots of support through the Scout community, and its externally the same size as the AMC 258. Its not enough power to keep me happy in the Scout, but its a perfect match for an Eagle. It will fit considerably easier than the GM motor because it has only one exhaust outlet on the driver side, just like the 258. Eagles have an engine offset to the passenger side that is very hard to deal with. The NV4500 is overkill, but its the only five speed available for the SD33T. The axles will be upgraded to handle the torque and the 33 inch tires. It will not be a daily driver, but it will be wicked cool.

On the trans gearing in the 727, there is a kit available from a shop in CA to give you lower first and second gear ratios. (I used to do them in race applications so the tall stock rear gears could be used to drive home from the track)
   The whiz bang adapter for GM trans to Jeep transfercase isn't needed if you use the right factory parts (lots of 700R4 to NP208C or NV241 LH drop stuff out there, then use a clocking ring)
  
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Re: Howdy. I got the shell of an 81 SX4
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2011, 03:32:18 PM »
On the trans gearing in the 727, there is a kit available from a shop in CA to give you lower first and second gear ratios. (I used to do them in race applications so the tall stock rear gears could be used to drive home from the track)
   The whiz bang adapter for GM trans to Jeep transfercase isn't needed if you use the right factory parts (lots of 700R4 to NP208C or NV241 LH drop stuff out there, then use a clocking ring)

Awesome, thats a kit I would be interested in. I'm assuming it replaces the entire planetary assemblies and is probably pretty expensive. Do you know the name of the shop or the available ratios? I have 2.45 first, 1.45 second, and 1.00 third saved as standard TF727 ratios. The CJ10 tractor tugs were all TF727s with a specific casting to fit the SD33Ts that I have. Its the only automatic available for those.

Do you know if there is a difference in casting to correspond with the Chevy NV241 trucks? I've heard that 2WD and 4WD 700R4s are identical until the adaptor in the back. Is it just that adaptor I need to find if I have a 700R4 already? My knowledge is limited beyond Jeeps and AMCs, but I do have a 700R4 buried in my garage.
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Re: Howdy. I got the shell of an 81 SX4
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2011, 07:45:28 PM »
http://www.aandatrans.com/Departments/Chrysler-727-Trans/Low-Gear-Sets.aspx

Same ratio as the 999 but there are others available I can't find right now that have 3:1 first gear ($1,000 set)
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