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Offline pradtf

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Re: the flight of kiyreagle
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2009, 01:34:17 PM »
i assumed that the tow truck person knew what he was doing, but did confirm that he was using a flatbed because that's what some of the others said you should do with 4wd. so i assume that there is no issue with the rear driveshaft since the entire car was on the tow truck.

txjeptx, we have no stickiness when the car is not running. it is only when it is running that we have the problem of putting it into gear. we will try the exercise you suggested anyway today to see if it will help.

the fact that we can put it into gear and start the car with the clutch down - and no 'jumping', suggests to me that the throwout lever is moving far enough. am i correct in this assumption?

if so, then the stickiness could likely be due to the transmission not being used for so long and will hopefully loosen up given some time ... unless you see some other problem here.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2009, 01:35:49 PM by pradtf »
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Re: the flight of kiyreagle
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2009, 01:53:35 PM »
i like your idea of the rubber coating. what is the brand of the coating you are using?

It's Proform European Texture Rubberized Gravlguard.  I believe my husband got it from Chase autobody supplies.

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Re: the flight of kiyreagle
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2009, 02:42:46 PM »
I am going to say no.  Your throw out lever is not traveling the full distance.  The humming you hear is probably the syncro's being press against while still under a load.

I had a T15 in my 73 Cj5 that did the same thing.   

See if you can get a bit more throw.

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Re: kiyreagle flew around the block!!
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2009, 10:34:29 PM »
we noticed that it was much easier to put into gear today, but we also took dsrt4's advice anyway and extended the pushrod. the shifting was really quite smooth and clicked in precisely. we were able to go from 1st to 4th with no problems or even funny sounds! we could downshift with ease too!

the ride was a bit rough, but i think it was the tires. we're getting a different set tomorrow!

kiyreagle has started to stretch those wings!
« Last Edit: December 18, 2009, 10:41:13 PM by pradtf »
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Re: the flight of kiyreagle
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2009, 12:10:09 AM »
can you post a pic of your pushrod extender, I need one too.  But for $1.09 its cheaper to buy one even with shipping, although I'd love to see what you came up with.
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Re: the flight of kiyreagle
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2009, 02:32:35 AM »
can you post a pic of your pushrod extender, I need one too.  But for $1.09 its cheaper to buy one even with shipping, although I'd love to see what you came up with.

i like the $1.09 price assuming it will fit - i emailed mike yesterday, but haven't heard back.

meantime here is the pic (not of the actual pieces that are in there now, but what we started with):



the long nut on the right has a diameter of 8.8mm which is just perfect for the pushrod. we chopped it a bit so it wouldn't hit the tab on the pushrod which holds the spring.

the bolt in the middle was chopped so it would screw right up to the nut, but still allow the pushrod to enter it to about 0.5cm. the head of the bolt was also chopped a bit so it was easier to put in (you want the fit to be tight, but it's pretty hard to push the throwout lever to make room and the pushrod can only go back so far).

the washer fits the throwout lever nicely and is pressed there by the pushrod with nut-bolt attachments of course, but also with the spring that connects the throwout lever and the pushrod.

this was our first attempt at this sort of thing, so some refinements are likely possible in the future.
so far it seems to be working quite well.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2009, 02:41:41 AM by pradtf »
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Re: the flight of kiyreagle
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2009, 10:33:44 AM »
Awesome, I'll head to the hardware store.  Nice job problem solving, thats the rambler mentality. ;)
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Re: the flight of kiyreagle
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2009, 10:58:27 AM »
Sure looks like you are going to be a great AMC Eagle problem solver.
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Re: first flight
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2009, 07:56:40 PM »
kiyreagle went on a significant trip today - 10km to the tire exchange (run by my friend jayeson who has provided excellent service since i met him back in sept!) and 10km back.

we needed snows and got a nice set of used P205/65/r15 directional snow & mud tires. one of the rims was very difficult to remove, but i think that's partly because the guy doing the removing didn't lubricate it. the others came off easily.

one of the customers there was curious about kiyreagle and was impressed by the fact it was 4wd, but thought it was rather rusty, but i really didn't think so. he said that the broken windshield was something i could end up having a chat with the police about so i said, "i hoped it gets dark soon ... no wait a sec, it better not get dark, because the headlights don't work." that sent the fellow away laughing so i didn't have to listen to anymore rust nonsense from him.

the steering is soft so we'll look at the possible causes tomorrow.
the brakes require more force than expected, so that could be the back brakes not functioning because the back reservoir was completely dry last week. we may have to bleed it.
in any case, the tsm has all sorts of possibilities to look into.

the shifting has been very nice! 3rd gear sounds a little louder than expected so i wonder if we have a possible lubrication issue in the transmission.

the car stalled once, but started up just fine though there was a strange sound like a floppy belt and a burnt rubber smell towards the end of the trip. both seemed to go away by the time we drove in.

it was a great first flight and has given us several points to start improving upon!
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Re: the flight of kiyreagle
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2009, 09:34:21 PM »
I wonder if the headlights are simply a matter of cleaning the connections. Worth a shot, at least. :)

it may well be that. our van has a quirky right headlight connection that requires some pushing from time to time.
it could also be the fuse inside the light switch. we'll take a look at it tomorrow along with the entire dial cluster which is completely non-functional - i think that could be due to either things not being hooked up or a blown fuse.

we were concerned that the speedometer didn't work, but it is just fine. the tachometer though likely needs to be hooked up.
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Re: the flight of kiyreagle
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2009, 03:25:32 PM »
Sweet!  Glad the Push rod trick helped.

My jeep suffered from the same thing because of the heavy duty clutch my uncle put in it.

The pressure plate/throwout bearing arm had tweaked a bit and wasn't allowing it to complete disengages the tranny from the flywheel or not enough at least for the syncros to compensate. 

Thus I got the same goofy faint sound you did.  My fix at first was just like yours until I later put a stock clutch into it and a NOS clutch arm.



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Re: fascinating experience with kiyreagle
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2009, 09:29:25 PM »
today we went around the neighborhood doing brake tests as per tsm. we likely have to replace the pads and it is possible that the rear ones may not be fully functional. however, that wasn't the highlight of the day.

we have a fairly steep and long driveway which leads up to a flat area. whenever we go up that driveway, the engine revs and we go up very slowly almost as though there isn't much power. because we tried the clutch test earlier (going up starting in 3rd gear) which shut the engine off like it is supposed to, we figured there was no clutch slippage. today, though as we tried to go up the driveway, the engine seemed to be noisier than usual.

i decided we'd give it another try to see if we could get some idea of what the problem might be. i backed down the driveway and tried to go up again, but there was no motion - the engine just revved in midair. i tried 1st, 2nd and even 3rd gear, but there was nothing - the engine didn't even die! oh dear, this is feeling like clutch slippage.

we were forced to back out on to the very slightly sloping road, but i couldn't even move up that road in reverse - i was hoping that if we could get to the top of the slope, we might be able to pick up enough momentum to get back onto our property at least.

kyron bravely headed under the car on soaked ground to examine the clutch, but it was all fine. we were wondering if the throwout lever wasn't returning sufficiently, but that didn't make any sense since it had been working just fine for the past couple of days. however, we couldn't move up the hill and could just move down it thanks to gravity.

so i told kyron to tell ranjana to call the bcaa to tow us back up the driveway.

while waiting, i thought i'd try the 4wd setting. i know it didn't make the slightest sense, but when you have no logical options left, you figure on trying one that isn't so logical ... like may be if the clutch gets 4 wheels to work on we can move a bit more than when there are only 2 going.

i put it into 4wd and expected nothing different, but i sure got something different! the car move strongly and with some creaking (probably due to the front wheels not receiving power for so long). i backed up the hill and then went into first gear and drove right up our driveway like we'd never done before - no engine revving in midair and with total power!

i rushed in to tell them to cancel bcaa and then went up a small incline in 2wd, then back down the driveway again just to make sure i hadn't been dreaming all this.

no problems at all!

the only explanation we can come up with, not having studied the transfer case for 2wd/4wd in detail, is that we were somehow hanging in limbo and that things weren't fully engaged. this may be why we could move while on the road, but the engine revved when going up a steep incline.

is it possible not be fully engaged in 2wd (or 4wd), but only partially so?
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Re: brake issues
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2009, 09:43:00 PM »
we are trying to redo the front brakes since the braking is not good at all as per earlier post.

when we went into the left front brake, we found the piston was stuck at the back of the bore:



also, the shoe lining is touching the rotor:



the bore was filled with cobwebs and looks like nothing has moved in years. when we pumped the brake with engine off, nothing moved though the brakes do work (may be the right one and/or the back ones).

should we assume the calipers are frozen and need either replacing or can they be salvaged?
does the rusty, marked up rotor require replacing or can it be cleaned up?

recommendations?
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Re: the flight of kiyreagle
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2009, 09:51:17 PM »
Rebuilt calipers are inexpensive and new rotors are inexpensive too.  Eagles are one of the least expensive cars to do complete brake job on.   Also strongly consider getting new brake hoses for the front.  Don't be surprised as you add new parts that the next weakest part of the brake system will fail.  Brake systems on any make or model of older car typically will need extensive work after the first couple of decades.
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